Carlos Monzon vs Sugar Ray Leonard

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  1. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    with the Panamanian, lmao

    ok listen, I mentioned Duran's mental toughness in the second SRL fight, do you understand that point Foxy? That was my point? It was sub-par imo.

    Sorry that was so hard for you to accept, I guess my mistake about him quitting on his stool confused you :deal
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    are you still using that benitez had speed bull?

    next thing you'll be telling me is "I am personally not a fan of Ray Leonard!" to cover your tracks

    nothing you say has an ounce of truth to it which is probably the reason why you spend so much time coming after me. You simply dont know how to refute anything I say, THO YOU TRY!

    God, do you try!

    Are you ashamed to admit that you love him?

    and where have I ever fabricated anything about the man?

    EXPLAIN his so called dog and pony show as you put it!

    Dog and pony show my ass!

    That was a blatant case of false bravado. the man just didnt have the ***** to fight someone better than him!

    He called him in like he meant business, but didnt have the courage to go thru with the fight
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    you want to talk about revising history? that's what YOU DO!

    You go and take the incident with Pryor and say "it's a case of arrogance"

    No, it's a case of ducking

    Ray was challenged to his face and backed down. the problem is you cant admit to it

    The same goes for Micheal Nunn. He would never fight Nunn, but he WOULD have NO PROBLEMS setting up fights with Lalonde, Duran, Hearns

    so go ahead, show me where I am revising history

    give examples at least

    The problem is you can't and hence the false assertions coming from you in your post above

    YOU are the fabricator and the liar because you claim Benitez is fast

    Fast is Roy Jones, Meldrick Taylor, DLH, Floyd and Wilfred all he does is move his head well and that's as far as his talent goes

    see, that impresses people like you and your brain processes it as "Wilfred is fast"

    DUH! :nut

    No wonder this is all you can come up with
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    it's easy when you have so much to pick from

    again, what part of history have I revised? His 36-3-1 record?

    please, you're a joke
     
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    While i do think Leonard avoided Hagler until he saw shows of Hagler declining, i think you really underrate Leonard. He has wins over Benitez and Hearns, two great fighters who were in their primes.

    Leonard was 35 against Terry Norris and clearly past his prime. Come on, do you really think Leonard wouldn't be atleast competitive against Norris if he was in his prime? I don't see Norris beating a prime Leonard btw.

    Yeah Leonard's resume outside of his big four wins isn't especially deep. But wins over two great fighters in their primes (Benitez and Hearns), and one over a great fighter past his prime (Hagler) is more than enough for him to be an all time great pound for pound fighter.

    I am curious as to who in the last 35 years would you rank ahead of Leonard p4p. Jones Jr? Hopkins? Floyd?
     
  4. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    wow a lot either love SRL or hate him it seems :bbb

    plus if you think he was pretty damned good your not allowed to claim that you didn't like him, lol

    I think he took a easier route later in his career than he could of,,, regardless, he was still one of the ATGs :good
     
  5. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So to you Benitez was slow? Either you don't know anything about the fight game or your ignorant. Esp Benitez at jr.welt and welt. I never called you a liar on anything. Only thing Ive said is you cherry pick moments in Leonards career. But here you are with so much anger, bluster and really hot air now your telling the world really a man that won his 1st championship at 17yrs old did nothing but move his head. Really? I'm sure most would disagree. I know I do. Your opinion is Leonard was afraid of Hagler in 82' and afraid of Pryor same yr. Leonard may have lost to Hagler in 82. Probably so. But he would've destroyed Pryor in my opinion, and most other REASONABLE followers of the fight game. I come after you because your a internet bully that respects no ones opinions save your own and people that agree with you. I call out bullies every day at work. And now I'm calling one out on the internet.
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    who cares? his fans rest of his laurels too much. how about some newer challenges for a change like a prime Hagler, Pryor (both who he blatantly ducked)

    and how about throwing in a prime Donald Curry, a prime Micheal Nunn?

    If he's the best, then he should have to keep proving it instead of subjecting us to a five years late matchup with a shell like Hagler, and then Lalonde :tired

    followed by repeats vs hearns, Duran. who cared by that time?

    you see, your standards are way too low. you're just content with the same three fighters Benitez, Hearns, Duran

    Seriously, look at what you just wrote! You wrote that outpointing a past his prime Hagler is enough to qualify him as an atg!

    You just proved my point for me! YOU LOVE HIM

    and because you love him that means you're just too scared to ask for more from him because you're afraid he'd lose

    and trust me, he would
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    of course he was slow

    I dont recall ANY article ever claiming the man was fast

    so you see? It's only YOU who thinks that!

    If he were fast, he'd have whipped ray the way Terry Norris did

    see that fight? that's speed blended together with tight defense, and a high octane fueled offense that left Ray bewitched, bothered, N bewildered

    In other words, Terry was slick, quick, and made Ray Leonard sick!

    and even tho Ray had not lost a fight in 11 years, nor could Terry hope to match Ray's quality in experience, Ray couldnt hope to match Terry's speed (it was like entering a volkswagon in the Indy 500) or points on the scorecards (I had it scored 121-104 for Terry)
     
  8. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So fighters like Hearns, Leonard Cervates Duran all found Benitez nearly impossible to hit. But he was slow to your eyes? Puff, puff, pass. Stop hoarding the dope.:smoke:rasta
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah sure they did

    That's why Tommy won 13/15 rounds

    Poor you, no brains

    some people just believe EVERYTHING they read

    How about Hamsho, and Hilton? I didn't see them struggling!

    They found "Wonderful WIlfred" nearly impossible to MISS

    you see that fight? TIIIIIMBERRRRR! :lol:

    Matty boy knocked that mo-fo silly

    I forgot about Davey Moore too

    Wilfred shined against other fighters from other countries but the best fighters from the US, uh-uh no WAY!
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the Duran win is also overrated.

    I thought Kirkland Laing beat him more convincingly thand wonderful wilfred (the lamb of boxing) later in the year

    well, so much for your side of the story
     
  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benitez was so passive as a fighter, he reminded me of a cow eating grass

    Neither has any speed, and neither one can fight

    that's why they get slaughtered
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    In Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't be fighting a past it, unresolved, hesitant Marvin Hagler, an emotional, hot headed Roberto Duran that he could clown, a fragile chinned front runner like Thomas Hearns or definitely a comparitive mediocrity like Donny LaLonde....no, he would be fighting a very great middleweight champion...in my estimation, the greatest middleweight champion at that.
    In Monzon, he would be fighting a tall (tell me another fighter who better utilized his height and reach), bigger, stronger, coldly calculating superior ring general who always fought his fight and employed a steady, confident resolve. Ray would have made it reasonably close in the early rounds, only to be taken out to sea,...the deep waters of rounds 13 through 15 where he would have been brutalized and then drowned. These rounds would have been the moment of truth for Leonard, as Monzon, a superior 15 round fighter, would have had Ray down a few times and may have even stopped him in 14 or 15.
    Most of you guys know little or nothing about Carlos Monzon. Most of you remind me of the so called "experts" back in the 70's who were always wrong in their predictions and prognostications concerning Monzon's title defenses..."experts" who always emerged with egg on their faces,...most of you latter day "experts" would have fit in nicely back then...clueless and wrong time after time. There was nothing at all fancy, flashy or superfluous about Monzon,...he was just supremely confident, patient, and effective.
    After basically shutting down Leonard by round 12,...he decks, batters, then tko's Ray near the end of round 14 or early in 15.
     
  13. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I think the fab 4 all beat Monzon
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :patschWhat a bull**** opinion. Ignorance is your problem petey. You sound like a classic noob/troll.
     
  15. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Is this a reference to Pryor's blatant duck?