GGG has to Move up In Weight if Wants to Be great

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lighting my dumbass up?

    :lol:


    Yeah, of course you have.

    By claiming that Floyd being outweighed, would be the equivilant of Golovkin being regularly outweighed AND outsized?

    :patsch


    By telling me that Floyd had more courage?

    :lol:


    To top it off, you're now siding with Pimp, who has MISREAD what I've wrote.

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  2. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Youre an idiot. You keep trying to throw dimensions and attributes into the equation that have nothing to do with boxing, Boxing is only separated by weight. Thats all that matters. Floyd has courageously moved up in weight and defeated heavier men. The coward GGG hasn't. You lose.

    And what are all these ring and glove size stipulation bs excuses youre talking about because the only fight I can think of is when Oscar drug little ol Floyd up to 154, and stuck him in a pair of reyes even though Floyd wore grants. Why do you call Oscar for that?

    Again I'm asking you, Floyd has moved up and fought larger men who were more ppwerful and punched harder than him. Why is GGG is afraid to do the same??:hi:
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did he get on the scales, or did a member of The Medical Team just quote the numbers?
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I have no idea why he continues down this path? Reach has nothing to do with size. Williams had 79 inch reach by his logic before his accident he should have been fighting at HW and never would have been undersized.:lol:
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How have you got the gall to call me a moron?

    Seriously?

    Yes, boxing is only separated by weight. But a fighter being outweighed, is not the same as a fighter being outweighed AND outsized, DESPITE what other attributes they possess.

    A fighter can be super skilled, super fast, with great stamina etc. But if he's fighting another world class fighter and he's conceding height, weight and reach, he's really up against it.

    Floyd was up against it against Oscar. Because he conceded height, weight and reach. But that is the only time he conceded ALL of those things.

    If Golovkin was to fight at LHW, he'd have to concede ALL of those things on a regular basis.

    How hard is that to understand?

    I was merely making an observation.

    Floyd dragging Canelo to a CW, is not the equivilant of Golovkin fighting Ward, Kovalev and Stevenson.


    Regarding gloves, go and talk to Maidana.


    What have you got to say about his emergency IV?

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  6. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. Its really pathetic how his fans have no problem with him fighting an aging WW, but start making up all kinds of ridiculous excuses when you ask him to move him just 1 or 2 divions. This a guy people said stopped HW's in sparring :yep
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly hurting LHW CW and HW but can't move up to 168 to take on light hitting Ward, but willing to face Froch and JCC Jr at the same weight. Pathetic!
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why are you laughing when you can't even read properly?

    Path?

    There is no path, it was an OBSERVATION, Einstein.

    What logic?

    Nobody has mentioned Williams.

    I'm saying that if Golovkin fought regularly at LHW, he'd be conceding height, weight and reach.

    He'd be outweighed and completely outsized.

    Do you understand?

    Has it sunk in?

    Floyd was only outweighed and outsized ONCE in his career.

    Instead of actually reading what I'd wrote, you got defensive and started listing all of the fighters who outweighed him.

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  9. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And a fighter being "outsized" as you put it (rolls eyes) is not the same as fighter fighting a guys who's heavier, stronger and hits harder than him. I can play this game too. When' s the last time GGG fought someone heavier than him and who hit harder. Floyd's done it many times because thats what happens when you move up and challeneg yourself.

    And floyd let Maidana use his MX gloves until he got caught trying to use a pair that got banned by the comnission. Floyd had every reason not to trust him after that.

    Thre's nothing to say about the IV. The NSAC and USADA had no problems with it so why are people trying make themselves WADA experts and say Floyd did something wrong when no offical has said that he did.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There were never any serious negotiations with Ward, and Ward was never in a position to fight GG anyway.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    All of the guys I mentioned were naturally bigger than PBF. Every one of them.:deal PBF started at 130. You'e going to try and tell me that a guy like Baldo for instance is naturally smaller than PBF the same Baldo who last fought at 168 I might add.:lol:
     
  12. Loudon

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    We're just going round in circles.

    If Golovkin fought the best LHW's in the world, he would find himself at a complete physical disadvantage, which Floyd only faced in one of his fights.

    That's all my point was.

    The attributes that Floyd and Golovkin possess, is another debate/argument altogether.

    Okay?

    I never mentioned attributes.

    I was looking at physical disadvantages.

    Now you have no argument to counter that claim.


    There's nothing to say about the IV?

    So, you believe that Floyd was so dehydrated, that he had to have an emergency intake of 750ml of saline and vitamins?

    You told me last week what Floyd weighed in at, and what his fight night weights were.

    You said he only weighed 148 pounds against Maidana.

    So if you were referring to the first Maidana fight, he weighed in at 146 pounds, and only gained 2 pounds after the weigh-in.

    If you were referring to the rematch, he weighed in at 146.5 pounds, and only gained 1.5 pounds after the weigh-in.

    Yes?

    So a guy who boasts of his walking around weight, and who only rehydrates 1-2 pounds after the weigh-in, makes weight EASILY.

    Therefore, it's completely ILLOGICAL for him to say that he was so dehydrated, he needed an emergency IV of 750ml of fluids.

    You don't need to hire Columbo to work out something was amiss.

    A guy who only rehydrates by 1.5 pounds, would not ever find himself needing an emergency IV because he was severely dehydrated.

    It's ridiculous.
     
  13. Loudon

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    I never said anything about natural weight.

    I said that Floyd was only ever outweighed and completely outsized in one of his fights.

    Meaning that he conceded height, weight, and reach, all at the same time.

    That fight was against Oscar.

    Apart from that fight, he was never completely outweighed and outsized.

    That's a fact.

    Once again, it was just an observation. Discussing Floyd and GG's attributes, is another debate altogether.

    Again, I merely said that if GG went to LHW, he'd find himself at a complete physical disadvantage on numerous occasions.
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    What do you mean " GGG is hoping Canelo comes up to fight him"???? Come up where?? El Pollo Canelo claims to be the lineal MIDDLEWEIGHT champion of the word. The fact he does not have the cojones to fight at the Middleweight limit of 160 pounds proves he is a FRAUD !! a FAKE!! & a COWARD!!
    The fact that Suliaman & the WBC are crooked as a corkscrew for not forcing Canelo to defend at 160 or get stripped of the title . After all isn't 160 the legal limit??
    Learn the rules sunshine!!!!
     
  15. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When I call you an idiot, its not meant to be an insult, its because thats truly what you are. Not your fault you were born that way.

    You say you're not talking about attributes, well news flash genius, when height, reach are "physical attributes" so yes you are talking about them. And since you keep bringing them up even though they have no revelance in determining fair fights, then like I said let's throw power in the mix too since thats also a physical attribute. Floyd moving up and fighting heavier more powerful fighters, is way more impressive than GGG fighting guys his same weight who he has the power advantage over. Thats why he's a coward and Floyd is light years ahead of him in terms of ATGreatness. Please stop making a fool of yourself and let this go.:good