My Video on Jack Johnson

Your video is not good.

 

What video has an agenda?

Instead of crying that the Santa Claus they told you was great as you thought he was, why not comment on the shown footage or tell the author where he was wrong in the print article? I don't see anyone doing that directly. All I see is attacking his tone, and crying how unfair.

Bottom line, Johnson has too many poor moments as champion and before winning the champion to be considered " As great as they told you " And most of his films are not very impressive unless you think clinching and hitting a much smaller and less skilled man is impressive for a heavyweight champion.

What we have here is a man KO'd super middles, floored by super middles, drawing way too many times, losing a high-stakes match to Marvin Hart, avoiding the best opposition as champion, getting Ko'd in an exhibition match by someone who he should have given a title match to ( GB Smith ) and quitting in fights.

All of the above is true.

Johnson championship run was the worst of any tenured champion. We have been over that here. What if Ali did not fight Frazier, Norton, Foreman or Lyle ( avoids all black opponents except for one ) , and instead fought limited white opponents, draws / gets floored with middles, draws with Scr@p Iron Johnson, then ends up getting knocked out by Gerry C00ney?

Imagine if just half of this happened to Louis, Marciano, Ali, Holmes, Lewis or any well respect champion? OMG. I'll tell you what would happen. He would be severely downgraded.

 

Well, by that reckoning, clearly everything you wrote before, when you were praising Jack Johnson's defensive ability, need to be seen as the writings of someone who doesn't know what they were watching.
That's everything you wrote about boxing.

But if you could be so wrong about so many things for so long, you can't be sure you even know what you're watching now.

Welcome to the world of the fallible ! :good

 

A post that is both discerning and infinitely logical!:good

 

Why thank you sir. :good

 

I can't say you made me google "George Raft pen!s" today, but I've never done that before ..... swear to God I haven't.

 

The agenda here is not Cox's he is merely wrong ,as the number one Johnson hater , the agenda is patently yours.
Clinching and hitting a much smaller man ? Sounds like your hero Wlad.:think

Getting ko'd by Gunboat Smith? Never happened ,Smith by his own mouth, in a taped interview in 1972, never claimed that he ko'd Johnson.
Adam Pollack states he believes both Choynski and Johnson were of a similar weight when they met.
The other KD [by Ketchel ,]I believe to be a fake

Johnson quitting in fights? He retired in two fights, in one, he was 47years old in the other 50 years old and sustained a broken hand.
Your other vanilla hero Vitali quit at the age of 29 in a fight he was winning, but you extend to him every excuse you can.
Johnson signed to fight Joe Jeannette twice
the authorities vetoed both fights.
He offered to fight Langford in the US but Joe Woodman, Langford's manager could not come up with a binding deposit.
In exile Johnson offered to fight the best of the White Hopes Luther McCarty in Canada for promoter Tommy Burns ,in reply to his cable, Burns said he wasn't interested in promoting it.

..Cox says Johnson had a suspect chin:think Johnson went nearly 15 years before being stopped at the age of 37 and then by a giant. You want to cast aspersions on Johnson's courage? Just to get in the ring in the circumstances he sometimes found himself took big b*lls!
Johnson as I say, went 26rds in temperatures his opponent described as "hotter than hell,Johnson was overweight past prime and 37 years old and was in front after 20 rds.
Johnson toughed out the last 8rds of a ten round contest to earn a draw when he had a broken arm ,was 35 years old, and had not fought for a year and a half.

When Johnson died ,his widow was asked what was the most standout quality he possessed ?
She answered," his courage, he wasn't afraid of anything."


By continuing your hysterical hate campaign against Jack.Johnson you merely expose yourself .


Long may you continue to do so.:good

 

I completely disagree with this notion "it won't be the same man" bs.

Take Lewis for instance, he bombed out Ruddock without a thought for caution or patience.

Doesn't mean you then say "well you can't say he'll box behind his jab because that's a Lewis we haven't seen" total bs.

Johnson was an athletic marvel with great speed, strength and reflexes for a man of his size. To think he would just fold to the first body combination he faced is a further leap than to think he would be able to adjust to pace of a modern boxer in my estimation.

Ruiz made a career out of frustrating his opponents by landing thudding jabs and clinching in close as well as throwing inside uppercuts. I completely believe Johnson could have surpassed Ruiz. Byrd made a career out of evading combination's in close and I completely believe Johnson could have surpassed Byrd. Young made a career out of a combination of the two despite being matched tough from the get go.

There is nothing to suggest Johnson wouldn't succeed today unless you believe his only possible dimension is the one we see on film.

 

Although I disagree with Cox I do appreciate the time take to produce his video and the detailed response he has given.

 

You are a very singular man B .E.:good

 

Monte at one time was one of my favorites. His recent thoughts regarding Dempsey and now Johnson are so far overboard I honestly wonder where he is coming from. I tend to feel he woke up one morning and decided the best way to gain readership was to become controversial. Johnson was a great very special talent during an age where only the toughest rose to the top.

 

Bump.

 

The other point is Johnson did not need “escape routes”. He was perfectly comfortable fighting inside, controlling the punchers who attacked and beating them at their own game.

 

Cox is entitled to his to his opinion and to subsequently alter it. I've read some of his stuff and to be honest, I dont think he has any more knowledge or insight than the best posters on here.
Johnson appears to be able to move pretty quickly when he finds it necessary see below.

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