McVey it's never personal with you. I feel comfortable enough bantering with you without any negative emotion. Thanks man. Yeah I just want to give it a shot to see if I have any potential. Knowing boxing, I'm probably going nowhere, but who knows. Joe Louis says to always punch as hard as you can. After shadowboxing alone for 5 years, I've gotten to the point where I can't really do it anymore without getting a headache because I punch too hard. So I decided it was time to use a heavybag, which is really the reason I joined the gym. I have a tremendous amount to learn, and I have a total lack of experience. But I've developed good intuition after watching and reading so much about past legends. These modern gyms are missing a lot of very important things. You're coming to the wrong conclusion based on Jeffries injuries. Ali has had his jaw cracked, he's ****ed blood. Mayweather is a phenom at defense, so comparing him to Jeffries is unfair. But even he's been bloodied and hit. And he's been fighting 12 rounds or less his whole career.
Jefferies was an all-around athlete in his prime....not the old guy who fought Johnson. At 218 lbs today, he would still be a solid heavyweight contender. Too bad that the early 1900's era is so controversial on who gets shots at the title. http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html
One of Mayweather Sr basic moves he teaches is a quick lean back: https://youtu.be/zdkMeKUoNNY?t=4m8s
Leaning back is bad when you don't know what you're doing. But Jeffries doesn't set his feet, his legs don't stop moving. He leans back, and moves at the same time.
I have never doubted Jeffries as a great athlete. I just don't see a lot of boxing skill demonstrated. He is throwing slapping, really poor hooks but I think that is partly intentional as he's not in there to slaughter his brother. I don't see boxing greatness there. I see someone doing a rather mundane drill, the point of which we may never entirely know. Good luck on your boxing. But don't get too high on your power. I even had John David Jackson tell me I hit really hard. But a lot of guys can have great power against a bag or focus pads but those things don't hit back. Trust me, it's a lot more difficult to commit with power when someone is looking to counter or has excellent footwork or just has you figured out. And don't go into a gym thinking you know more than the trainers there. You will pay for that. But again, good luck with it.
I'll never let it get to my head, which is what I was saying. I don't think I hit that hard. I have tremendous reverence for boxing. That's why I'm here. I do my best in balancing the admiration with the current boxing world, with my ideas on where improvements can be made. And besides Gennady Golovkin, and a few others, I don't see many true punchers in boxing today.
Yes agreed, and both in this recording and what we have from other fights I've noted little use of a straight right hand or for his reputed strength any real show of backing up opponents. He threw a good hook to the body but theres nothing two fisted about his attacks. On the plus side he ducked and slipped well for a big man but as Seamus wrote the leaning back should have been trained out of him.
Ali got away with leaning back because of his unmatched movement which also let him get away with not being adapt at slipping or blocking, Johnson seldom leaned back and never like Ali did or even as Jeff was doing in this sparring clip. Banks, Cooper, and Frazier didn't floor Ali when he was leaning back but when he was in range and the lack of blocking skill caused him to be dumped each time.
Lots of misinformation here. Snapping back from punches has been taught since the days of Corbett ....keeping on balance its a move done by the greatest of fighters through the years to this day. Ali leaned way back off balance to avoid many punches which has always been a Nono. He did it with impunity because he was Ali.
Ali had 61 fights for total of 548 rounds fighting well past his prime up to 40. Jack Johnson had 77 fights ,703 rounds fighting into his 50's Neither had cauliflower ears , sustained a broken nose,or had ridges of scar tissue. Jeffries had 24 fights ,221 rounds nearly all of them against lightheavies and cruisers, he had his nose broken three times, had a cauliflower ear ,and had scar tissue over both eyes. He also had only one fight when past prime. You don't get those "souvenirs" if you are defensively adept.