Jim Jeffries sparring clip

it makes sense to me that ear damage would be more common due to the gloves and more wide clubbing shots. wrestling wouldn't help either.

 

Looked like two oafs that were slapping each other around based on a bar bet.

To be fair it was a training moment of two brothers having a slap fest; I doubt either guy wanted to hurt the other guy.

 

Sums up my take :deal

 

I would also add that the people, who are most critical of the old timers based on film footage, are usually the worst film ****ysts.

You ask then to describe what happened in the footage, and they have missed everything significant.

 

How come :
John L Sullivan
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jim Corbett
Gus Ruhlin
Joe Walcott
Tommy Burns
Joe Gans
Sam Langford
Jack Johnson
Joe Jeannette
Sam McVey
Bob Armstrong
George Gardner
Jack Root
Jack O Brien
etc Did not have cauliflower ears then?:think

 

What should we focus on in these clips?

 

Look, Jeffries had a cauliflower left ear because he was open to right hands,watch him follow Gus Ruhlin around the ring and it's as plain as the nose on your face. One of the greatest boxers of the 1900's was Jim Driscoll he had 2 cauliflower ears ! The reason being he slipped punches! How did Jeffries manage to get his nose broken 3 times? He didn't do it by slipping punches did he?

 

Examples? Where did I or any other poster "miss everything significant"?

 

Show me proof of this, and also show me a link that says Langford Manager advertised he'd fight anyone but Jeffries in 1904. I think you dates are wrong. My recollection is Langford's manager posted that after Jeffries retired. More like 1906

By the way, smelling salts were banned in British boxing when Ali fought Cooper, so you could argue DQ loss here.

 

Instead of replying to Mcvey and having it fall on deaf ears, I think perhaps it would be better to educate and correct his numerous mistakes to those he's communicating with. My thinking is they will get it.

The more likely truth is Jeffries had 40 + fights.

As for Jeffries' ear, I don't think he had a bad case of cauliflower ear. Most athletes get this from Wrestling when their ear rubs against the mat with force. This is why most wrestlers wear headgear today. Jeffries was also a wrestler

 

i didn't say it to defend jeffries, or that bad ears would be a definite side effect of those factors, just that those things make it more likely than a guy getting hit with the same number of shots in a modern setting.

i.e old time cyclists were more likely to be killed/injured falling off without helmets, but we could make a huge list of pre pu$$y era cyclists who didn't get seriously hurt.

 

And people who are the biggest cheerleaders of old timers see in film "techniques" and tendencies that were not there and/or wouldn't be the slightest bit effective against modern boxers even if they were fighting under old time conditions.