Why do people think Tyson is a top ten Heavyweights?

Tyson's defense shined just for mid 1980's fights and in these fights, the other guy was in there mostly to survive.

Tucker started out hot then became defensive. Why? He claims to have broken his hand. Perhaps this is why he out jabbed Tucker, who was the same weight for the fight?

 

Berbick and Spinks before Ruddock and Bruno.


That's 4 current titlists, plus one still viewed by many as the man at HW.

Its not just decent, its world/elite, but doesn't have the ATG name that ATGS usually have. FIVE then current titleholders, with actual titlists outside that top 5 too.

These are post prison, mike was clearly just going through motions after prison. He wasn't even matchfit once post prison.

FAR from the best he fought, just an ok contender. Your argument self fails.

so pre prison, every fight, titlists, contenders etc ALL just went his way? LOL flop mate.

He did beat out the best, unless you mean some crown higher than the world HW crown.
However this thread is not a theory that Tyson whacks out the best at all, its whether he is an ATG top ten.

I don't get you, you criticise him for not winning by KO sometimes, yet you then criticise him for winning on points too. He was good enough to do both at elite level, but neither is right for you.

Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about MT.

 

all the contenders and champions he fought the baddest men on the planet, just got into the ring to survive against this comparative midget?
Maybe that was their plan after they got hit by him! But they went in their to win.

 

I think Tyson started his career with the biggest possible advantages. He had D'Amto for his father and without him, he'd not have achieved as much acclaim. With Don King controlling a division of contenders, most of who were passed their best, Mike cleaned up.

Jeffries has more than 19 recorded fight. Box rec who keeps tinkering with the person making the last change winning has him at 24, but newspapers suggest around 40.

Dempsey had it tough early. I do agree the Meehan and Flynn fights are major marks on his resume.

Yes, Wlad lost three times via KO. Tyson who fought fewer times was KO'd 5 times.

Sorry, but I expect an all time top 10 ten great to be more competitive vs his best opposition. Tyson wasn't even close vs Douglas, Holyfield or Lewis. To put Tyson in the top ten, you need to think the world of Holyfield. You'd also have to rate Lewis higher as he did much better vs Tyson's best competition. And on top of that inflate his best wins, which won't sniff the hall of fame as a heavyweight. I count Spinks as a light heavy. You can say Wlad didn't beat great fighters either, but he was on top for 3x the amount of time. Longevity is not an argument for Tyson. Quite the opposite!

I have Tyson around 13. Just staring reasons why I think he doesn't make the cut.

 

Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis went in there to win. Williams wasn't scared. Neither was McBride. 0-5 here. Those who stood up to Tyson beat him.

Spinks was scared. Seldon scared. Etienne maybe took a dive. Burno hired a sports psychologists. Scared too. Smith did not try to win. Tucker did for a short period of time, then may have broken his hand. Tubbs was fat and scared, a horrible combination.

While I think Tyson could intimidate, all time greats have a heart for battle and when putting Tyson here, he could be in trouble based on the match up.

 

so you are still claiming that ALL the prospects, contenders, former champs and current champions that Tyson fought before prison DIDNT go in their to win? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Tyson intimidated all these people who towered over him -riiiiite.

I'll tell you what intimidated them - getting HIT by him.

 

Can I see your top ten list? I'm curious as to where you place Tyson.

I agree Tyson could intimidate, but which great fighter could be easily intimated? Very few.

 

hes on the edge, 9 or 10 usually. Half a career isn't enough to get any better.
why do you need to see this? let me know.

I haven't agreed with you at all, I have told you that people get "intimidated" when you HIT THEM HARD (capitals so you don't miss it this time)

 

:rofl what top 10? because i have no problem seeing foreman destroying the versions of berbick, thomas, holmes, marvis frazier, biggs,snipes,bruno etc that tyson fought

 

just reconstructing my top ten from memory with the absolute ATG assets they had

1. Louis
2. Ali
3.Holmo
4. Marciano
5. Lewis
6. Johnson
7. Fraiser
8. Foreman
9. Tyson
10. Dempsey

more or less, it tends to jiggle up and down one or two places now and again.

 

this claim that everyone else preprison Tyson resume (except douglas) is scared to fight...

So lets see what that amounts to at the top end of tysons resume -
Berbick
Bonecrusher
Thomas
Tucker
Biggs
Holmes
Spinks
Tubbs


- all being too scared to fight??

Why did they even get in the ring with tyson if they were genuinely too scared to fight?

So if all these guys were too scared to fight, how on earth had they got to the top of the game/titlists/champions by being too scared to fight all that time?

And another thing - if they are all too scared to fight, what happened when two of the list fought each other - were they so scared to fight that both of them ran from each other in the ring?


What a load of shyte you are claiming.

 

I think hes an ATG, and H2H in a top five, but the questions over his activity with the mob are very pertinent. Rolling over to Ali inside 1 round is very anti-ATG.
He wasn't at the top anywhere as long nor as fruitfully as Tyson.

Rocky had the same links allegedly but none of his fights spell it out. Sometimes I have rocky at 5 or 6 for that.

 

next up from someone will be "why not Holyman", but I personally take the hard line with consistent PED abuse.