Does Tyson run through Marcianos resume unbeaten ?

If that was the case, Bruno or Spinks would have beaten him. Ruddock would have beaten him.

Even the headhunting mad man would destroy the final 3 opponents of Rocky's career.

 

Anything could happen but I've yet to hear a single convincing, logical argument for the actual mechanics of how even close-to-prime Tyson loses to cruiserweight-sized heavyweights with short reaches (or the various slow mediocrities on Marciano's resume).

 

You're going to get the typical auto-response: "Are you saying that Razor Ruddock was as much of an ATG as Walcott, Moore, and Charles???"

 

short reaches? Tyson had a short reach himself. Walcott had a longer reach than Tyson so those Charles and Moore. Even Don ****ell had reach equal to Tyson's.

 

What Tyson had over Marciano, in spades, was speed of hand and foot. By the 1980's, one simply could no longer be a small, slow brawler in an age of large, fast athletes.

 

How many examples can you find of somebody beating an all-time great technician by headhunting?

Once Tyson throws his game out of the window, he is not that hard to outbox.

 

I read an article a couple of months ago to the effect that Tyson was tapping ass more than he was tapping the heavy bag on the prelude to fighting Douglas

 

You're painting a strawman caricature of Tyson's "headhunting." He didn't suddenly metamorphasize into some sloppy, wildly lunging barroom brawler. The bigger problem was that he stopped using the same head movement and bobbing & weaving, which rendered him vulnerable to some of the 6'3+/82-inch+ reach heavies. The other problem is that he stopped putting punches together as often, again more of a problem against solid 225-lb men who can take single Tyson punches on the chin and temple without collapsing.

 

What Marciano had over Tyson in spades was mental toughness and stamina. Walcott, Charles, and even Moore are more than fast and clever enough to trouble Tyson greatly and when they make it past a certain number of rounds they chances of being ko'd decrease considerably. Which they definitely can do I can't see Tyson Koing anyone past 12 rounds.

 

Yes. Mike Tyson beats them all. And his speed pretty much guarantees he beats them even faster than Marciano did.

Ezzard Charles would have no chance. Charles lost to Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes the year before he lost twice to Marciano and he followed those four losses with a stoppage loss to Johnny Holman the next year.

Tyson would've wiped out Charles. Aside from the freak nose injury Marciano suffered in the rematch with Ezzard, Rocky reportedly won nearly all the rounds in both fights with Charles before knocking him out cleanly in the rematch.

Is the Charles who lost to Johnson, Valdes, Marciano twice, and Holman beating Tyson? NO.

There is also ZERO chance of a nearly 40-year-old light heavy Archie Moore and his crab defense beating a prime Tyson. How on earth would old Archie win? That's another very short night.

Louis would probably last as long as Holmes or Pinklon Thomas did. All Joe had at that point was a jab. He wasn't knocking people out anymore (three stoppages in his last 10 fights). He was a stationary target. It wouldn't have been pretty.

Jersey Joe Walcott would have the best chance, because of his movement, the way he boxed from angles, and his decent power. But I'd make Tyson a favorite to win that, too. But it would probably be competitive.

The rest of Rocky's victims would've suffered even worse fates against Tyson. Someone mentioned Harry Matthews ... that would be a crime putting Tyson in with Matthews. Don C0ckell? Freddie Beshore? None of them are beating Tyson. Not even close.

Tyson walks through them all easier than Rocky did.

 

Here, apparently, according to Mike:

"Did you know that before his infamous 1990 loss to 42-to-1 underdog Buster Douglas in Tokyo, he "smoked pot," "didn't take training too seriously" and went through "too many of them Japanese prostitutes"?"

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7818910/mike-tyson-vegas

 

Yes, Tyson obviously had a short reach too. The point is that Walcott/Charles/Moore don't have reach advantages significant enough to take advantage of some of Tyson's vulnerabilities in 90/91.

 

No, it is a problem against anybody who knows how to box.

Call it what you want, he basically abandoned everything that had got him as far as he got.

He was an accident waiting to happen, and if it hadn’t been Douglas, it would have been somebody else.

 

The only way Walcott or Charles lasts 12 rounds is if they run around the ring like cartoon characters. Moore doesn't have a prayer.