Does Tyson run through Marcianos resume unbeaten ?

I see the Marciano Worship Cult is all alive and well.

 

All fighters have a cult were all like Nat Fleischer's seeing things about certain fighters that others just don't see.

 

Walcott and Charles weren't runners ... certainly not the versions Marciano faced - which is what we're talking about.

Charles lost to Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes the year before he met Marciano - who also beat him twice - and the following year Charles was stopped by Johnny Holman.

How on earth anyone thinks that Charles BEATS a 20-something Mike Tyson ... it's just ridiculous.

Maybe Walcott - in the final fights in his career -- could work angles and keep a big separation in space, and tries not to get hit flush against a guy who was twice as fast as Marciano ever was ... but I doubt it as well.

Walcott couldn't beat Marciano in two fights.

Walcott -- at six feet and 198 pounds - and at 37 years of age ... would be a HUGE underdog ...

And the he'd probably have THE BEST CHANCE against Tyson of all of Marciano's opponents.

If Walcott was four inches taller and weighed 40 pounds more ... he'd have a better chance.

But he wasn't 6'4" and 240 pounds. He was six feet ... and 198 pounds ... and he was an old man who took a seat in the second Marciano fight.

How fast would he take a seat against the much faster, much harder to hit whirlwind Tyson?

 

The thing is, we're not talking about Tyson vs Marciano ... we're talking about Tyson vs. Freddie Beshore.

And Mike Tyson vs. Don C0ckell.

And Mike Tyson vs. Roland LaStarza.

And Mike Tyson vs. the 38-year-old Jersey Joe Walcott who sat down in the first round against Marciano and claimed he missed the count.

And the Mike Tyson vs. the Ezzard Charles - who lost to three top contenders in the year before and after Marciano ... and who only won six or seven of the 23 combined rounds he fought against Marciano in two bouts.

NONE of these guys BEAT Mike Tyson. Tyson blows all these people up.

The Walcott in the first Marciano fight would be the only one with a prayer of going deep into the fight. But even a prime Tyson had 20 pounds on Walcott ... and he was faster than Jersey Joe.

Tyson goes 49-0 against Marciano's challengers.

 

Modern big men, with huge size pulls, should sweep through the much smaller old-timers. I think Tyson Fury, for example, would be too much for Tunney or Schmeling and probably Jack Johnson. The jury might still be out if he can handle big punchers.

But could a 185 to 190 lb. Tyson sweep Marciano's competition? What we know is that he lacked the focus in his own era and got upset.

 

First of all, Mike Tyson didn't weigh 185 pounds. He weighed 30+ more pounds than that at his best.

So, who would you pick out of Marciano's competition to beat an unfocused Mike Tyson?

Harry Matthews? Willis Applegate? Bernie Reynolds?

:huh:-(

 

Read what I said about modern heavyweights being bigger.

I understand that Tyson did not weigh 185 to 190 lbs.

It isn't only Tyson who does well if jumped backward decades. What about Vitali Klitschko. I literally can't imagine Vitali losing to Max Schmeling. But Schmeling KO'd the best opponent of his era, Joe Louis, and Vitali could not beat the best of his era when he faced him.

Two different ways of looking at the past.

 

I read what you wrote. You asked how a 185-pound Mike Tyson would do against Marciano's competition. But Mike Tyson didn't weigh 185 pounds. He was 30 pounds heavier than that when he was a teenager.

The question is how would Mike Tyson do against Marciano's competition?

The answer is he beats them all, too.

People keep saying maybe Tyson would lose focus ... but they offer no examples of who out of all the guys Marciano defeated would whip Mike Tyson.

And nobody is offering specific names because there aren't any.

Tyson could have trouble against a certain type of heavyweight ... but Marciano didn't beat any of those types of heavyweights himself.

 

Vitali Klitschko is 6'7". Tyson Fury is 6'9".

Mike Tyson was 5'10".

You don't need to SHRINK Mike Tyson to face Rocky's comp. Tyson was the same height as all those guys (or he was shorter than them). He just carried a lot more muscle, power and possessed more speed than they did.

In other words, he was better than they were.

His HEIGHT didn't give him an advantage over them like the Klitschkos and Fury's height give them an advantage.

This isn't a GIANT vs SMALL guys deal.

 

Tyson Fury with skills at amateur level beats Tunney, Schmeling and Jack Johnson? Find another sport to follow.

 

I think what's ridiculous is thinking they're going to fight the same way with Tyson as they did Rocky. As if they couldn't tell by looking that Tyson is a completely different animal than Marciano and would need a different game plan. These could fight and would know to get on the bike and tire him out. I don't know what some are seeing but Walcott is very good defensively. Just as good as anyone who went the distance with Tyson. Also, saying who they lost to doesn't prove a Tyson win. Tyson isn't Nino, Harold, or Marciano.

Look I don't know who would win anymore than anyone else here. From I've seen of both I just wouldn't be surprised if Walcott or Charles did beat Tyson. Tyson could possibly go 49-0 just as anyone else could but it's not going to be anywhere near as easy as some think. He could very well lose.

 

Everyone has a bad night sometime except Marciano. Going 49-0 only happened once in the whole of boxing history. Doubt Tyson has 49 consecutive good nights.

 

Agreed on all points.

The first 40 he would walk straight thru, even in full party mode.

In Marcianos three signature wins his bald shop worn and shot old timers opponents made it competitive. Two out of the three would not make it out of the first round against Michael Gerard Tyson and the one who would make it a couple more would also take a nap. There is ZERO chance of ANY of them seeing the final bell or even being remotely competitive.

BTW , Tyson flat out KO's Marciano in three rounds max.

 

Ezzard Charles lost to Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes the year before he fought Marciano. He lost to Marciano twice. And He lost by TKO to Johnny Holman the year after that.

I don't care how Ezzard Charles fought ... the Ezzard Charles who Rocky Marciano faced wasn't going to beat Mike Tyson.

Tyson had 30 pounds on Charles. Tyson was twice as fast as Charles. Charles, at that point, was getting hammered by light heavys and losing.

Tyson didn't lose to six foot tall, 185 pounders.

I agree, people can have an off night. Tyson had one off night in his first 46 pro fights against a guy who was a half a foot taller than him, who weighed 230 pounds, and who was strong enough to push him back and outbox him from the outside.

And, even then, Tyson dropped him (Douglas) in the eighth round and the OFFICIAL timekeeper counted to "11" before Douglas got up. 99.9 percent of the time, the referee picks up the official count and Tyson walks away from his "off night" with an eighth round knockout ...

And Tyson is 46-0 before he runs into Holyfield.

What I'm asking is WHO BEATS TYSON on Marciano's resume when Tyson has his "off night" everyone keeps talking about?

Who did Marciano fight who was strong enough to push Tyson back, and outfight him from the outside, and stand up to his power?

Because I'm not seeing it. It certainly wouldn't be Ezzard Charles, who wasn't stronger than Tyson, was 30 pounds lighter than Tyson, and wasn't even as good at that point as Nino Valdes or Harold Johnson or Johnny Holman ... let alone Marciano.

If Tyson got to fight 49 times against Marciano's opposition ... guys who were all basically six foot tall or less ... and who all weighed around 200 pounds ... Tyson would've been unbeatable, TOO.

Rocky didn't fight guys who were 6'4" 230-pound boxer/punchers like Tyson did.

And the guys Rocky did fight didn't have the size advantages or the styles to beat Tyson.

That's the point. If Tyson fought Rocky's opposition, he blows through them all, too.

 

Excellent post.