Does Tyson run through Marcianos resume unbeaten ?

How 'bout this....Could Tyson have taken the beating that Marciano took from Walcott on that night in Philly back in 1952?...knocked down for the first time in his career...cut and blinded for 4 rounds...behind on all score cards...and then....
"BANG!"...he lands the "Suzie Q" in the 13th..and becomes the new champ!
How would Tyson take having his nose split open down to the bone against Ezzard Charles back in 1954...blood pouring out...asking the ref and the doctor to let it go one more round...knowing that if you don't...you lose the title!. He comes out...scores a KO and remains the champ.Knowing that Tyson never got off the canvas to come back to win a fight says it all. He loses both.

 

He wouldn't have had to take either beating as he would have had those old guys out of there well before the 6th.

 

Thank you.

 

It's difficult to say for sure if Tyson would go 49-0 with Marciano's resume.
Marciano did, and that's that.
Tyson had a very respectable 37-0 before his first loss.
Again, whether Marciano could go 37-0 against Tyson's resume is hard to say, but Tyson did it and deserves credit.

 

"there aren't weight divisions within the heavyweight division"

But Marciano and most of his opponents would not be in the heavyweight division today. They would be cruiserweights.

Tyson would be in the heavyweight division.

"GIANT"

I wouldn't use a term like that, but at 218 to 220 he would be heavier than any rated heavyweight of the fifties who fought him in shape.

Sports history is relatively fair in the sense that an athlete only has to compete against others who grew up in his world with the relative disadvantages of that world--few or no childhood inoculations, no antibiotics, relatively backward medical care for most conditions, poor dental care, inferior nutrition, etc.

Fantasy matchups like this distort history by bringing the advantages of the modern world into a world in which they didn't exist.

I remember a call-in to a sports show in which the caller claimed that a losing NFL team of the post-2000 era shouldn't be criticized because they would beat the champion teams of the past, the fifties Browns, the sixties Green Bay, the seventies Steelers. I think he is right about that. Teams are so much bigger that even the weakest probably could handle the strongest of decades ago.

Doesn't make them anything more than losers if they are losers in their own era against the teams of their era.

*Fantasy match-ups when I was young weren't so distorted by size. Tom Cribb could have stepped into the ring with Dempsey or Marciano and been about the same weight.

So these kinds of match-ups prove nothing to me except what we knew going in. Modern athletes are much bigger.

 

Tell that to the many denizens of this site who passionately argue that the 175-185lb heavyweights of old would have minimal problems dealing with many of the talented 220-240lb athletes of more recent years.

 

Exactly. It's not that hard to fathom.

 

Ain't that the truth but you are wasting your time trying to debate with someone who is that deluded.

 

I think that we need to show the fight and let people decide for themselves.

Tyson does very little in the first few rounds, is lethargic, and not putting his punches together. He throws a grand total of thirteen punches in the first round. Douglas actually offers him quite a few opportunities as well, often going toe to toe with him. This leaves us to conclude that Tyson let Douglas into the fight to a significant extent, as opposed to Douglas taking him out of the fight. Compare what Tyson does in the early rounds of this fight, to some of his earlier fights, and he doesn’t even look like the same fighter. So in summary, I can’t agree with your assessment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8z0xoMze8U

 

Bottom line: There's no indication whatsoever that Douglas had any fear to overcome in that fight, from the opening bell or even before. None. Tyson is coming forward in the first round and looking to throw hard punches but Douglas keeps him off balance with his footwork, jab, and physicality. Tyson's not quite as aggressive as in past fights but it's only obvious because Douglas fights the perfect fight to exploit it.

 

Walcott has the best chance. He'd likely earn Tyson respect at some point ni the fight. Might not mean victory, but he'd give him pause more than any other. Plus his movement would've bothered Tyson. Moore, is tailored made for Tyson... he'd go down quickly imo

 

I am sorry, but I have to say that is as much about what Tyson is not doing, as what Douglas is doing.

Tyson’s punch output is very low, he is working one punch at a time, and he is simply not pressing the fight.

Douglas fights a smart fight, but he is not exactly Ali in there.

He is slugging with Tyson at time.

Worst of all, this is James Douglas that we are talking about!

 

Walcott is the best chance, I agree there. He's the only one who can fight fire with fire on the inside and remain somewhat unscathed.

However he doesn't meat the timeline here.

Tyson will still be fully prime by the Walcott fight and a fully prime Tyson crushes him.

Tokyo Tyson maybe does lose by ko. I could see that.