Buster Douglas' Performance against Tyson

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    https://streamable.com/kmoo

    This is a lengthy clip but it exhibits some of Douglas' talent and tactics that I think people take for granted. First, few 6'4, 230-lb fighters have ever been so nimble on their feet, jumping back well out of range to make Tyson reset his offense and using great lateral movement (Leonard is duly impressed too). Excellent reflexes and range. Second, his head movement is also exceptional, making it hard for Tyson to line him up with punches while he's moving. Third, his jab, as always is stiff and thrown from the right range with excellent form and balance. Doesn't do much damage with it in the clip, but its hard enough to slow Tyson's offense without exposing himself to unnecessary risk. Mike knows that he can't walk through it and has to bob & weave accordingly. Fourth, Douglas has the defensive presence of mind to guard against Tyson's uppercuts when Tyson gets inside on him on the ropes, and he immediately fires back with hard punches when he realizes that Tyson is standing too tall and unable to punch back. Completely nullifies Tyson's speed and power in this clip.

    This is my first clip; let me know what you think!
     
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  2. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A motivated Douglas showing what he could have really been.
     
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  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He really had Tysons number that night. Thanks for posting!
     
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  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Douglas boxed well.
    I do think you can find clips of Sonny Liston moving like that too.
    It's not like Douglas was dancing around the ring like an Ali.
    I think Douglas's tactics were correct. Dancing around would have given Tyson space and time to launch an attack. Douglas moved around just enough, staying in perfect range, hopping back and little half-side-steps.
    Wlad controls distance well like that too.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You've seen footage of Liston working off his back foot like that? Didn't know that he had it in his repertoire.

    Wlad was deceptively mobile too (and unlike Liston, as big as Buster), but I can't recall ever seeing him move with that kind of speed. Buster gets so much separation and his reflexes are so sharp!
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Before I entered this thread, I anticipated another stab at revisionism,...this time detracting from Buster's performance that magical night.....and there's just no way anybody can discount what he did that night in Tokyo....slaying Godzilla the way he did...he was just FANTASTIC, that's all there is to it.
     
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  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good work KK....a welcome thread.
     
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  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Douglas was good , but that was an ATG performance and it proved how better he could have been had he applied his Tyson attitude to his whole career.

    Some guys are consistently good doing what they're doing but dont have that extra dimensional level that shone through when tested against the best.

    Lennox Lewis for example and the Klitschko brothers to a much lesser example.

    Holyfield at his best brought out the ATG in Bowe. But a well past it version couldn't not do the same for Lewis.

    Tommy Morrison gets a flaking on here , but when he set his mind frame to 100 for Foreman , he displayed a supreme level of skill and tactics. Stickin n moving and walking Foreman into ghosts all night. You don't see constant mobility on the back foot like that anymore. The talent just isn't there. Apart from Tyson Fury of course.
     
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Did he? When? I only ever saw him clinching , holding , hugging , grappling etc etc.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Thanks!
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Agreed. It was a brilliant performance.
     
  12. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Buster Always had talent but often for some reason lacked the mental resolve, this was displayed to a great extent in the Tucker fight, Buster hurt Tucker and should of built on it to win, But Tucker gritted his teeth and came back at Buster. did Buster grit his teeth to retake the inititive...no he mentally collapsed and simply gave up, The Holyfield fight was a later shocking example of a person wanting to be somewhere...anywhere else...

    For the Tyson Fight Buster had sadly Lost his mother before the fight, it could of emotionally sunk him, but instead it put iron in his soul it might also of helped Buster that he was expected to be blown away in very short order, so very little pressure to even be competitive,

    free from the pressure of expectation, perhaps wanting to honour the memory of his mother, Buster came in determined ..ultra determined..he wanted to conquer his demons...and he could do this by slaying this Dragon...

    Unlike a lot of Tyson's intimidated opporsition who'd try to timidly respond... Buster Initiated..he put Static in Tysons Attic...He bred in him seconds of Hesitation as Tyson processed the fact that this was not some early Buster Bluster... This man wanted to win..and was quite happy to hurt him .. the Marshmellow he thought he was going to chew on and spit out was a Rock Cake...

    Tyson was a Bull but he was up against a manevolent Matador who was going to have his ears... his Heart... The Quitter would make the Bully feel those same feelings of wanting to be elsewhere..

    For one night only Buster bought Mental Foretitude and the Talent he always had ...for one night only Buster put it all together, He slayed the Dragon....but some demons may of Lingered...
     
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  13. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not a fan of the klits but I was watching Wlad recently (lost by ko) and yes he was fairly mobile and I noticed him handing off with his jab to knock his opponent off balance.
    He had/has a great jab which he works behind and protects his chin.
    Liston, I am a fan of but working off his back foot wasn't his style.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Great post!
     
  15. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Thanks for posting. That Douglas could have been an ATG!
     
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