Frazier wins H2H. Marciano, beat everyone who challenged. He dominated his era. He had the better career.
If you agree that equating Marciano's win over Ezzard Charles to Frazier's over Ali is ****ogous to arguing that the earth is flat, then I completely agree with you. I thought you suggested just that in several of your posts but I'm glad that I was wrong.
I said both have comparable victories at the top level. I said both have a close resume. If I was to rank the 6 I would go Ali Charles Walcott Quarry Moore Foster.
There is a world of difference between doing it to Foster, and doing it to somebody like Charles or Moore.
yes sure... it is in your own world, not in the real one. anyway, put charles and moore with joe and frazier beats both them in the same night, he would ice moore in 2 rounds and charles in 3 or 4
I can buy the idea that Foster was unlucky to share an era with Frazier and Ali, but he was not unlucky to share and era with Terrell and Foley. These are just the sort of guys that you have to beat to be a viable heavyweight title contender in any era. Charles and Moore for contrast had considerable success against this category of heavyweight. It is reasonable therefore, to say that they would probably have been much more competitive against Frazier, than Foster was.
My sixpenneth, for whatever its worth, In a fight between Frazier and Marciano i think i would have to go with Frazier, on a technical note it must be remembered that Joe had a nasty little weapon he used to use inside, rarely mentioned and unappreciated, but his short 6 - 9 inch 'Jolt Jab' which helped make a mess of some fighters faces who went head to head With Joe, Chuvalo, Quarry first and not suprisingly Stander Later made the slashing acquintence of this punch, Joe's 'Jolt Jab' would Also have the effect of lifting the head for the following hook, there was indeed a skillful method in Joe's Mauralding, My general feeling is that Joes 20lb advantage in weight (say 185lb to 205lb) would prove to be decisive, if there was less than a 10lb sway between them then i start to lean towards Rocky but it would be one hell of a bitter struggle Its also been mentioned that Joe didnt have much of a right hand, however it did perform an important function being a counterbalance to that Cultured Left Hook, Did anyone notice any disadvantage when he steamrolled the very capable Ellis and Beat Ali ? no, he used what he had to Brilliant effect So Rock Lands a Left Hook and Right Hook, and Joe Lands two Left Hooks , I do not think that there would be much difference recorded on the Opponent Pain and Misery Index Two Great fighters slight variations on the theme, i think its sufficient to say that they rank right along side each other. .
I think most people would disagree with you there. At the very best it requires a leap of faith to think that they would.
Those that were not close to the game during the time can try to fool themselves that Joe Frazier was more than a one handed hwt. But that is all they would be doing...fooling themselves and others. Nothing in the boxing world was an well known and understood that Fraziers right hand was not a weapon to be concerned about. He had no coordination with it to use in combination with his left. All Joe could do is pound away with both fists in close which does not take any level of coordination. Joe was as close to a one handed hwt than we have had as hwt champion. VERY late in his career after working on the punch with Futch he was able to use it with decent effect in one fight and that was Quarry 2. One right hand by Joe badly cut Jerry around his eyes but by that time in the bout Jerry was no more than a punching bag. Fast forward to Ali Frazier 3 and count how many right hands Joe lands to Ali's head. Count how many combination punches to Ali's head Joe throws that include a right cross. Not many and know why? Here is a secret everyone knows who lived during that time....Joe Frazier was a left hooker with no real right side coordination. Loved Frazier but it's the truth and It's well known truth.
