It's easier to avoid punches than to land punches ?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Learning defense is hard. Learning to land on a moving target who is trained in defense themselves is even harder.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :deal

    Which is what make guys like Kovalev and Golovkin so much more impressive than fighters like Abraham or Froch, its a pity that all the so called sweet scientists on here fail to realize that or understand why..
     
  3. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It all depends on the opponent but a novice walking into a gym will have an easier time learning how to throw punches than learning how to avoid them.
     
  4. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it is. Moving the head/torso or maneuvering with feet is easier than land powerfully at long range on a moving target.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    There are levels in this.

    Entry level, first day walking into the gym...you have a long road ahead of you just figuring out the basics like stance, then movement, then proper form hitting the heavy and lated double-end bag...then working the mitts, then (very) light sparring. That in and of itself can be a long enough journey for a beginner. Once all that is mastered you can then "graduate" to honing the finer points of evasive footwork, ducking/rolling/weaving, blocking/deflecting/parrying and incorporating feints as part of your defense (buying you time for a lateral slide or to otherwise reset your position) - and then you have to drill all of these skills and start applying them in sparring with guys actually coming at you with intent to land...so I can see why some consider this "advanced".

    There is a tier yet beyond that, however, wherein you learn to land on someone who is already levelled up as far as that second tier (finding the bullseye while they're moving, keeping a guard up, countering; having to cut the ring off; creating your openings if they don't come on their own)...and trust me, that is a bigger learning curve than between Tiers 1 & 2.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Basic offense, yes, on a heavy bag.

    Learning to defend against fellow novices is much easier than learning to land on someone that has already learned defense.
     
  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Depends on who you're fighting
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If defense was more important and harder than why are most ATG fighters offensive fighters?
     
  9. CST80

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    It's very simple is it harder for Floyd to evade punches, or for a fighter to land on Floyd while he's evading said punches. It's the latter.
     
  10. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol Exactly. If defense is so easy than why are there few atgs who are basicly defensive fighters? Mind you, I haven't seen a great fighter that doesn't know how to defend.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The "offense" you learn day one (hell, anything in month one) is stuff that would never be applied in a real live fight setting gaby a trained pro.

    You are learning the ropes and getting basic form down, grasping how to correctly throw punches on a bag. At that stage your "offense" has nothing in common with anything used by a competition-ready fighter (even amateur, let alone pro)

    Real, PRACTICAL offense comes later...and no coach will teach it to you until after you have learned to protect yourself (which is a quicker and easier process, but equally necessary before you start mixing it up safelt even under supervision in hard sparring)
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :good

    World class fighters, at that.
     
  13. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ? I am sure that there is a point somewhere in there but I don't see it.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Because defense is neglected by some, is largely eschewed in their chosen style, or they disn't have a proper foundation set as most coaches today lazily gloss over aspects of it and breeze through it and don't make sure the fundamentals are nailed on before giving the green light for someone to compete. They half-ass it, basically.

    Under ideal conditions everybody would be taught defense (and its importance) and would find it "advanced" compared to novice boxing training, but RELATIVELY "easy" compared with advanced offense.
     
  15. CST80

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    Because you're stupid.:deal