Jcc sr used to give out the worst beatings

... Taylor, Mayweather, Alli, Holligan. All horrible sustained beatdowns, physically and mentally I would imagine. No-one's going to hurt him in his prime and that won't seem fair when he's giving you such a pasting up and down.

 

Yeah they were pretty brutal. And they were usually the type that happened slowly and subtly over rounds and didn't seem to be taking their toll until a fighter was thoroughly hammered. Taylor was winnining for most of his first fight with Julio but by about the tenth round you looked at him in his corner and wouldn't have guessed that he was leading.

 

And needless to say, if title fights were 15 rounds, like they always should have been, the first Chavez-Taylor fight would have had no controversy at all.

 

Perhaps as an administrator of unhurried slow poison, But i certainly think Roberto Duran had his moments, certainly He ruined Davey Moore, and a few others when he had that glint in his eyes.

 

What a fight Duran vs Chavez at LW would have been!!!

 

Yeah Ive actually met a few of his opponents before and they say the same thing. Met one driving the bus, ordered a burger off another at BK, got my roof done by the third. 4th was homeless

 

He could dish them, but...

 

With you. Once he slipped and he was on the end of some hurt back he didn't tend to dig deep. Does he come out for the 2nd round v Hearns knowing what he's in for? Does he even come out for the first round? Far be it from me to question a fighter's courage, But Chavez is some way below some of history's most incredibly brave fighters.

 

Once he was rich, the hunger was gone.

 

First of all, your grammar is beyond poor. And, clearly, you did not watch the first 12 years of Chavez's career. Saying that Chavez could dish it out but couldn't take it (during his very long prime) is about as inaccurate a statement as possible. If there is one thing Chavez could definitely do, it was keep fighting on even when he was receiving heavy oncoming fire. Ask Roger Mayweather or Edwin Rosario. Hell, Meldrick Taylor landed around 500 punches on Chavez and still got knocked out. That is more punches than fighters like Floyd Mayweather land in 3 entire fights! Prime Chavez was the definition of an impregnable tank.

 

Actually, Eddie, I just read your previous post, where you seem to agree. Not sure what your point is. I agree that in the twilight of his career he occasionally folded up the tents early. But, so did almost every fighter in history from SRR to SRL to Duran, to Tyson on down the line. Fighting is not a game for the old with very rare exception. Being in mid to late 30s with 100 plus fights is enough to dull even the sharpest spear.

 

Good post

Even in Randall I he didn't quit after he got knocked down and badly hurt. He took a lot in that fight.

He didn't show any dog until the end of Randall II.

 

Cheers Bert. Not sure I deserved the dig about the grammar but I can take it as well as dish it out so we'll move on.

What I meant was that there was plenty of evidence Chavez could take it. But only when he was well ahead or certainly competitive which is hardly his fault as he was so much better than his opponents. I'm being a bit harsh on him based on his later years and, as you say, what he did was no different to virtually every other 30+ year old with a long career behind them. I probably expected more simply because Chavez set such ridiculous standards during his, as you say, ridiculously long prime. But I agree that he was a tank. And the statement that he should not be remembered as among the bravest was a bit daft, as you say. Fair comment.

One final point. 500 punches. Plural. 'Those are' more punches than Floyd lands in three fights. And it's Chavez'. No need for the s on the end. As you can see, I took that dig to my grammar well, didn't I?:thumbsup

 

Just reread my last post. Didn't realise how often I had said 'as you say'. You can't disagree with me this time, Bert. I've covered my back by relentlessly quoting you! Cheers anyway.