Implications for boxing post Blackwell tragedy...

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by lencoreastside, Mar 29, 2016.


  1. JonStevo

    JonStevo Member Full Member

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    And a response to that would be was there STILL a chance (even if it's a tiny one) that NB could land a KO punch?

    The answer is absolutely and that's what makes the "Sport of Boxing" to paraphrase Floyd.
     
  2. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Yeah and it can cost trainers their relationships with fighters. Paulie left Buddy McGirt following his decision to pull him out against Hatton. I remember him saying he'd been hurt much worse in the Cotto fight not realising he def should have been pulled out early in that one. His corner really let him down in that fight.
     
  3. Makingweight

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    Boxing has improved no end in safety in relation to what the game used to be.

    Fans/writers of my generation only remember too well how grueling the old championship distance used to be 15 rounds.

    10-12 now the championship rounds finish the 10th back in the day and potentially you had only finished 2/3 thirds of the fight.More injuries were occurring late guys the result of same day weigh-ins added in Ray Mancini v Kim Duk-koo the resulting in the death of the Korean reducing fights to 12 rounds.

    Boxing keeps getting kicked when down it isn't perfect neither are aftercare in sports like American football regarding topics like concussion bringing big law suits.Boxing a very,very easy target.
     
  4. I Shot JR

    I Shot JR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that on the refereeing/medical side not much will change as Blackwell was in the hospital within the hour as prescribed by the board.

    Whether or not it would help to have the WBC style mid fight scoring to alert trainers of the likelihood of victories could be debated.

    It's a shame that the majority of terrestrial TV is only interested in boxing when such an incident occurs.
     
  5. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    The great thing about boxing is being able to change a fight at any point with a single punch. The parts I've highlighted seem to disregard that fact.

    It's a combat sport, things like this will happen unfortunately. People have even died in cycling recently but they don't plan on changing anything.
     
  6. Dragon Punch

    Dragon Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No changes necessary..I hope Blackwell makes a full recovery.

    I think Lockett could have pulled him out around the 7th but for all anybody knows the damage to Nick could well have happened following the first uppercut he took - it's impossible to remove any more risk in this dangerous business.
     
  7. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    But there comes a point when the chances of that happening become outweighed by concern for the welfare of the boxer.

    Is it time to put in place a more rigorous safety policy to pin down the 'tipping point' - The critical point where a fight becomes unacceptably dangerous?
     
  8. porkypara

    porkypara Well-Known Member Full Member

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    These things happen in boxing unfortunately .

    No changes required.

    Only way to be 100% safe is don't box.
     
  9. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I don't think it was quite the one-sided beatdown people are making it out to be. But to answer your question, no. You can't just have a reaction every time there is an incident in a sport where incidents like this are totally unavoidable. The only way to prevent this from happening is to not fight at all
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing needs to sort itself double quick, before it get taken out of its hands.

    There is nothing wrong with fights being stopped early (look at my history, I am very consistent on this point).

    There should be a written 'duty of care' that makes trainers liable for the safety of their fighter. Again making sure their fighter takes too few punches, rather than too many.

    There should be an easier way for trainers to stop fights mid round (other than the throwing in of towel).

    As mentioned a fighter should win by TKO the moment they mathematically cannot be beaten on points by anything other a knockdown and/or deduction plus two rounds.


    So in other words a four round fight cannot be stopped in such way.

    A six rounder would be stopped if a fighter wins the first four rounds.

    An eight rounder stopped if a fighter wins the first five rounds.

    A ten rounder stopped if fighter wins the first six rounds.

    And a twelve rounder stopped if a fighter wins the first seven rounds.

    It should be noted these tasks would need to be achieved on at least two of the judges cards, and with extra deductions the fight could finish even earlier.
     
  11. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Given how close rounds can be, I don't really see how that system would ever work. Is the scoring was on a scale of 1-10 instead of just 10-9 if you lose the round, then maybe. But that's a ridiculous overhaul in light of one event.

    More to the point, without knowing when the damage to Blackwell was done there's nothing to say that system would have made a single bit of difference either
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Wow ! And people think decisions are corrupt and controversial now. Under your system, the whole thing would be so crooked and contentiouys even the hardcore fans would walk away in disgust.

    If I understand correctly, under this system a fighter could win the first 6 rounds in a 12-rounder, then lose the next 4 rounds clearly, then narrowly win the 11th round and gets a TKO win ! :lol:
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    I think people like to discuss the issues of safetly in boxing after a fighter like Blackwell is rushed to hospital and comatized, but still tend to ignore the constant and subtle damage inflicted on boxers over their entire careers.
    Getting hit in the head repeatedly is really bad for the human brain, the eyes and the ears. Loads of boxers end up slurring words and suffering headaches, blurred vision, loss of hearing, for example.
     
  14. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    100% correct, the same melts who claim Blackwell should have been pulled out earlier will be the first to moan when fighters get pulled out to early in the future.

    When I watched that fight on Saturday, I didn't sense that it was going on for too long. Just one of those things.
     
  15. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This wasn't unacceptably dangerous. Blackwell was losing but he was firing back, and was engaged in the corner. He also was never wobbled at any point.

    It's the nature of the game, it's easy to criticise the regulations but these guys are warriors, they are proud and they don't have any quit in them.

    This is a rare but tragic knock on affect of all the above, I hope nothing changes.