Things leaving a bad taste post Blackwell vs Eubank

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  1. impacted

    impacted Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Been thinking about Nick Blackwell pretty much since Saturday night, it's fantastic to hear he's stabilised and that everything is looking good for a recovery, even though the lad will have to face a life without boxing at only 25.

    Two things have annoyed me since though. The first is the mud slinging and blame game playing by people and journalists who never normally give boxing the time of day.

    Absolute nonsense being spouted about the competence and moral capacity of Gary Lockett and Victor Loughlin, some of it sickening. Even headlines about Chris Eubank senior 'saving Nick Blackwell's life', as if Lockett and Loughlin couldn't have cared less.

    The Eubanks have engaged in a media tour of sorts since the fight, and I have found it both self-serving and disrespectful to Nick. I believe Eubank's advice about going to the body was tactical, not compassionate. I also believe the son's claims about going easy and ''playing'' with Nick out of concern are untrue as well. Blackwell was too tough for Eubank to knock down, let alone out, hence the advice and the slow down in power punches.

    Eubank telling anyone who'll listen just how explosive and vicious his son's punching is pre-fight is one thing, to brag about it as Blackwell battles in hospital is another. I wish people would stop attempting to sanctify the Eubanks and down-play Nick Blackwell's efforts to that of some helpless punch-bag. Nick deserves better.
     
  2. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have given Blackwells corner and the referee a pass and say you're annoyed about the blame game and then have a pop at the Eubank's for eventually talking to the media.

    They have been under huge pressure to give statements and they have, you say "Nick deserves better" well did you see this quote from Jr?

    Jr was quoted as saying something like "there has not been and will not be any celebration of the victory until Nick has fully recovered".

    As for Sr, he has never been the same since Watson II, it basically finished him as a fighter and he has made so many references to that fight in recent times because his son is boxing and the press have asked him in the past if he is comfortable with his son fighting knowing first hand what can happen inside a boxing ring so it is always just under the surface of him as an individual.

    Only Sr knows if he genuinely had concerns for Blackwells health, we don't know, all we can do is guess because we can't read minds.

    Also I believe the Eubank's have been very controlled on what they have said in response to the questions they have been asked. Some of the questions have been loaded and almost inciting a negative response, for example they were asked if they would have rather lost and Nick Blackwell be OK, what reply can you give without having to give something of yourself away?

    May I remind you Nigel Benn (I'm a huge Benn fan) when leaving hospital after the McClellan fight was asked his thoughts on McClellans condition and Benn replied "rather him than me".

    We haven't had any comments like that, boasting or throw away comments from either Sr or Jr so for you to come on here claiming "Nick deserves better" isn't fair in my opinion.
     
  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Never mind, I just had a little look through your old posts, I only went a few pages and I see every time you mentions the Eubank's it's negative or insulting. I can quote a few if you like?

    So you have personal opinions that cloud your argument and you have an agenda, that's cool but don't come on here pretending to be the voice of reason, clearing Lockett and the Referee from all blame, even using the word "sickening" to describe how you feel about people questioning them and then dig out two people who haven't done anything wrong and have spoken at request to the media.

    :good
     
  4. boxfap

    boxfap Absolute Mong

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    I think your perspective on this is so skewed and twisted you are having a hard time seeing the reality of what happened. Your anti Eubank slant isnt allowing youto see the big picture.

    I do completely agree with you on the press mudslinging but that always happens. It always will happen, thats the nature on of sensationalism based press that we have.

    Very few people doubt the integrity of Victor or Gary, this was a title fight after all and the fighters should be given every reasonable opportunity to make a comeback and turn the fight around. I have no issue with either Victor or Garys decisions in the fight, the outcome was just one of those things, sometimes **** happens.

    On the flip side of that, had Nick been my fighter I would have pullid him and stopped the fight at the and of round 7. From that point on it was clear he was getting hurt and that he had no answer to what Chris jr was landing on him. Nick was just too brave for his own good in the fight. We all love the stories of will overcoming skills but in the real world that almost never happens.

    I have read pretty much every news article on the fight, watched the fight live and rewatched it, watched all the post fight interviews and I havent seen a single source that indicates that the Eubanks were bragging while Nick is in hospital. In fact I have only seen the opposite, a humble and subdued pair of Eubanks genuinley concerned about Nicks well-being. Can you provide a link to ANYTHING showing the Eubanks bragging at Nicks situation?

    Also I havent seen a single person dowwnplay Nicks efforts, only the opposite. Can you provide a link for where you saw that also?

    Clearly you are a Nick fan (as am I) and the situation is horrible but your anger and resentment towards the Eubanks and everyone else that isnt Nick, Gary or Victor is giving you a very bitter and twisted perspective on what happened on Saturday.
     
  5. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Top post Mr boxfap :good
     
  6. spanner30

    spanner30 New Member Full Member

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    Blackwell and Eubank HAVE put a bit of meat back on the bones of boxing imo and they have done world boxing a big favour .

    And imo the Eubank's have behaved with admirable dignity in all this ,I never had much liking for Chris snr and I never rated Chris jnr, but I have changed my opinion now on both counts .

    Good luck to Nick Blackwell
     
  7. ZiggerZagger

    ZiggerZagger Active Member Full Member

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    Hard to believe Snr was trying to protect Blackwell.
    At one point Snr says words to the effect of , switch to the body ,hit the trunk and the tree will fall, then Ronnie Davies says do it your way son , I'll have to watch it again to get the quotes exactly right but winning the fight and taking him out def seems like the motive behind these words.
     
  8. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Said.

    Senior suggesting that his instruction to go to the body was due to his concerns about Nicks well being, is absolute and utter garbage.
     
  9. boxfap

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    No, Sr didnt say anything of the sort. His
    Actual quote was:

    If the referee doesn’t stop it, I don’t know what to tell you, but I will tell you this, if he doesn’t stop it, and you keep beating him like this, one, he’s getting hurt, two, if it goes to a decision, why hasn’t he stopped the fight? I don’t get why, so maybe you shouldn’t leave it to the referee. Now you’re not going to take him out to the face, you’re going to take him out to the body.”

    The first part of his quote clearly expresses his concern for Nick. The last sentence is clerly an instruction to stop punching him in the head and go for the body to try and force a stoppage that way.

    Not sure how your recollection is so far away from from what was actually said. It really stuck with me at the time of the fight, I was genuinely suprised at Sr concern for Nick while the fight was still in progress. Thats a level head that most of us just dont posses.
     
  10. Kevin Maree

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    Boxfrap reading that it reads like what many have done, taken that clip and forgot the rest. If Eubank was genuinely concerned about Nick Blackwell he truly is Mystic Meg - how can he explain that he was saying the same thing so much earlier in the fight

    This is going out for the 5th -
    'He has resolve he's not getting stopped, but you will stop him here (body) maybe not here (head) but you will stop him here (body)
    He's like spike o Sullivan he's a hard nut to break so you break the trunk and the tree will fall'

    It's a lovely story that Eubank stepped in to show compassion but very insulting to the referee who did call in the doctor, and call the fight off when nicks eye closed

    The round where Eubank is apparently telling Jr to 'not go to the head' is not even the last round instruction. If you watch the fight back going out for the last round Eubank says -
    ' you need to take this guy out I don't want it to go to the decision'



    Get well soon Nick 👊
     
  11. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sickest Journo question was

    What would you prefer- Blackwell's health or the British title for your son?

    Wisely, Sr said he would not be answering that question.

    It was in the Daily Mail
     
  12. HARDCORE HEALEY

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    Its blatantly obvious to anyone with any boxing knowledge that Snr's talk in the corner was tactical, advising his son to hit the body and the tree will fall.

    The press conferences both Eubanks have been doing trying to give out the impression that they saved Blackwell's life is a bit too much in my eyes. I see the casuals out in force on Facebook posting the Snr corner talk giving out he's some sort of hero, and Snr is lapping it up being the kind of guy he is.

    Snr also going on like 'he told you so' that his son was some sort of murderous puncher and this was likely to happen sooner or later. All too much for my liking when the whole situation should really be focused on Blackwell and getting him on the mend.
     
  13. madpuppy

    madpuppy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I watched the channel 4 interview of the two Eubanks and I found it pretty subdued, not much bragging. Eubank Sr did at no point excplisitly state that hisinstruction to go to the body was primarily driven out of worry for Nick's welfare, neither did he totalyl deny it, it was a bit ambiguous. On the other hand JR outried denied that he eased of in any way during the fight, so I have no vlude what he original poster is on about in that regard.
     
  14. ant-man

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    I like young Eubaneezer Goode but stop already basking in his glory dad, you're boring, boring, BORING. :nono
     
  15. ZiggerZagger

    ZiggerZagger Active Member Full Member

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    Read the post below this rubbish that you posted and it will explain perfectly the WHOLE situation and the context in which it was said.
    100% based on tactics, nothing else.