Greb and the Heavyweights- Tommy Gibbons

gregluland · Mar 30, 2016

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Do I keep mentioning it? If I do MAYBE its because idiots like yourself love to wet themselves about how Gibbons was Dempsey's best opponent. MAYBE its because your hero CHOSE to go out of his way and fight the LOSER of this fight. MAYBE its because it was billed by his promoter (you know the guy you Dempsey nuthuggers hide behind for ducking Wills) as the winner fights Dempsey. MAYBE I just like watching moronic fanboys squirm. But yes, MAYBE if Greb had fought and beat Wills then MAYBE we could say he deserved a title shot. MAYBE if Gibbons beat Wills we could say he did. Instead we can say Greb didn't beat Wills and Gibbons and didn't beat Greb so Gibbons out of three DEFINATELY didn't deserve a shot... but your hero gave him one anyway rather than fight someone who actually stood and a chance and who actually deserved it. So theres that.

We aren't talking about NOW dumbass, we are talking about THEN. It didn't happen all of the time then. You know, when this fight was staged? Im not in the business of backwards second guessing fights based on an artificial time travelers standards of a century later. Furthermore, when Floyd Mayweather pulled this **** against Marquez he was rightly criticized for it. So lets not pretend that such a thing wouldnt be frowned upon today. Why should Gibbons be given a pass for twice taking unfair advantage?? Oh, I know why, because it serves your argument.

Greb never made any distinction between fighting Dempsey in 8, 10, 12, or 15 rounds. Go find me the first hand quote, not some quote with no provenance written 30 or 60 years later, where Greb actually wanted a short fight with Dempsey. Where he pursued it. Never happened. Nobody has researched Greb on the face of the earth more than me (certainly not you) and I have never once found a legitimate first hand quote taken during his life where he says that he wants a short fight because Dempsey hit too hard. Again, never happened. And why would he? Dempsey was an early round fighter. He has two KOs after the 8th round. Three after the seventh if you include his pocket pool "KO" of Sharkey (which I don't). One of those KOs was against a nobody in 1915 and the other was against Brennan in a fight he was losing, just like the Sharkey fight. You really want to argue that Dempsey was some kind of stamina machine and was going to wear Greb down? The funny thing is that my point about Greb sparring Dempsey was simply in passing but you Dempsey nuthuggers have such a problem with the fact that hero struggled in sparring with the same guy he just happened to duck that this is the point you seized on in that paragraph. LOL.

No, Im not reaching. That's what the press said and what they expected. The difference between you and I is that I actually read the contemporary press from that era and that was the context of the time. You may not like it because it puts someone like yourself who doesn't know what hes talking about at a severe disadvantage but it was you who went to boxrec and wanted to play armchair expert, not me. You opened that can of worms. Rickard billed the bout as a HW elimination with the winner to meet Dempsey. You can go back and read that in the same newspapers that expected Gibbons to knock out Greb. I realize its more time consuming than jumping onto boxrec but that's what real research is.

Oh sure, there just HAD TO BE ANOTHER REASON than the big bad Dempsey was scared of the itty bitty Greb. LOL. I guess there was another reason why Dempsey consistently fought less threatening opposition throughout his entire reign. I mean, when you fight the loser of this bout instead of the winner, or the winner of the black elimination staged the month previous, its pretty obvious what was going on.

I love the circular logic. Dempsey nuthuggers are perfectly content with Dempsey defending against Carpentier and Gibbons but bring up the guy who punked him in sparring, dominated Gibbons, and made Carpentier run for his mammy and suddenly the burden of proof is on me to show who Greb beat to deserve a shot. If that's the case lets compare who Miske, Brennan, Carpentier, Gibbons, and Firpo beat to deserve a shot. Because Greb 3 of those guys and a lot of the guys that they all beat. Youre going to have a hard time separating Greb out from the rest of the pack as having a weaker HW resume if that's your line of argument. LOL.

A better question is why Dempsey didn't but I think we both know that answer:scaredas:

First of all, a MW saying he MIGHT have problems with the HW champion in a long fight is supposed to the same thing as an admission that he couldnt win a long fight? I think not. But, go ahead and post them. Put your money where your mouth is. Im betting this time next year you still haven't come up with any. Because the reality is that Greb didn't care if he fought Dempsey in a short or long contest just as long as he fought him. I can post DOZENS of verifiable first hand quotes from him saying just that. I quoted plenty and cited them in my book. Until you can do the same you are just aping the same old party line that has absolutely no verification. Anyone, ANYONE on here, I challenge to find me an article from Greb's lifetime where he is quoted in the first person as admitting some trepidation at fighting Dempsey over any length. I'll be waiting right here.
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You are the biggest nuthugger fanboy on the entire forum..... you are sickening... really.

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Dempsey scared of little Greb

klompton2 · Mar 30, 2016

gregluland said: ↑

You are the biggest nuthugger fanboy on the entire forum..... you are sickening... really.

:nutcase

Dempsey scared of little Greb
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You took a wrong turn. The Les Darcy forum is somewhere else.:deal

BTW my son spilled g**** juice on the only film of Young Griffo ruining it. Better hope my harddrive never fails... Oh well, you would have never seen it anyway. :yep

gregluland · Mar 30, 2016

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Dempsey, let me help you out a bit here since you are short on facts:

In none of these contests did either contestant weigh as a HW.

The first Greb-Gibbons fight was held in Tommy's home town and was the first fight Greb ever had outside of the Penn/Ohio area and he was fighting the student and chief sparring partner of the best P4P fighter in the world. Gibbons was undefeated despite having already faced several contenders and in fact would continue undefeated for another 5 years suffering his first defeat at Greb's hands. They had two common opponents to that point: Joe Borrell who Greb had lost and drawn with but who Gibbons had defeated and Billy Miske who Greb had drawn with but Gibbons had defeated twice. Greb went into that fight as the underdog and despite this the Twin Cities press lauded his performance and wrote letters back to Pittsburgh telling the press there that he had made a hit and was welcome back any time and not to hold the loss against him. In fact based on that performance he was signed to fight Mike O'Dowd the following month in St. Paul but had to cancel after he broke his arm against Kid Graves. Kid Graves subbed for Greb and defeated O'Dowd as well. I doubt it helped Greb's performance that hanging over his head was the fact that less than a week after his bout with Gibbons he was expected to testify in court against a man who shot one of Greb's friends in the face and who blamed Greb for the altercation. The weights were 158 pounds at 3pm on the afternoon of the fight.

For their second fight in Pittsburgh Greb had suffered a broken hand against Bob Roper in Denver that had curtailed his planned western tour. The hand had not healed 100% by the time he was signed to fight Gibbons and it prevented him from training much more than roadwork. Yet, despite his previous loss to Gibbons Greb was confident of winning and by this point in his career was good enough that he had beaten several fighters while he suffered one or both hands broken. He dearly wanted revenge against Gibbons for the previous loss which he considered one of only five legitimate losses on his record at that point (he had avenged all of the others). Now here is the interesting thing: The contract for this fight called for the weigh in to be at 3pm on the day of the fight with both fighters to weigh 165 pounds. If you look at Greb's record this fight was held on May 15 but it was originally scheduled for May 12. On may 12 at 3pm both fighters weighed in at 165 but later that day, before the fight, rain moved in forcing a postponement of three days. Greb could make 165 easily but Gibbons couldnt. He was already growing into a full fledged LHW. Red Mason argued that Gibbons must weigh again because the contract demanded that the weights be held to the day of the fight. Gibbons refused and Mason demanded Gibbons' weight forfeit. Again Gibbons refused and threatened to walk away from the fight if he had to weigh in or pay. Finally Gibbons was allowed to not weigh. Ringside the weights were announced as Greb weighing 165 and Gibbons weighing 166 but there was no official weigh in so this was merely Gibbons' word. For all anyone knows he weighed 175 pounds. Now, Greb got a beating and a good one. But the next day he was out begging for an immediate rematch. This wasnt lip service either because the first opportunity Gibbons gave him he jumped at it. Now thats the mark of a guy who knows he can improve upon his performance and he did.

When the fighters agreed to face each other in the rematch Gibbons' handling of the weight in the previous fight was a major sticking point. As such he had to agree to make 163 at 10am on the morning for this fight. The problem was that there was no formal contract for this fight, just a verbal agreement. As such when fight time came around Greb weighed 160.5 pounds and once again Gibbons refused to weigh in. Red Mason almost pulled Greb out of the fight but this would have left the promoters holding a heavy loss so the sheriff stepped in and helped to negotiate a compromise. Gibbons would be allowed to fight without weighing in and Greb would be given half of his weight forfeit, which amounted to $250. For this fight Greb had left no stone underturned in training and even traveled to New York to train with Jack Dempsey, giving the champion all he wanted. Greb went in and beat Gibbons fair and square rain or no rain. Before the rain had even started Greb had drawn first blood and hurt Gibbons several times. Every single round Greb picked up the pace and by the 10th Greb was fighting faster than he had in the first round and Gibbons looked confused and utterly bewildered as Greb blasted him around the ring to the crowds amazement. Fluke my ass. Rain my ass.

The fourth fight is interesting because Gibbons always swore up and down that he would knock Greb out in a long fight and this bout was scheduled for 15 rounds. He was now on a 26 fight win streak (his last loss being to Greb). 21 of those wins were by knockout. He was considered the front runner for a shot at Dempsey and the bout was billed by Tex Rickard as an eliminator to decide Dempsey's logical opponent. Gibbons opened an 8 to 5 favorite in the bout and the odds grew in his favor to 2 to 1 as the fight drew near (some reports had him a 3-1 favorite). He was expected to knock Greb out. To date it was the most important fight either fighter had ever been involved in. It was a cross promotion held in conjunction with the Milk Fund (Milk Fund bouts were enormous for a decade to come). Its gate receipts were in the top ten of all time to that point and in the top five (if I recall correctly) for indoor boxing events. The crowd was populated with society from the Roosevelts, to the Astors, to the Vanderbilts. The bout was filmed (now lost) and based on the victory Greb was thrown a massive parade on his return to Pittsburgh, got a vaudville lucrative contract, was asked to write a series of articles to be syndicated for newspapers nationwide, and won the right to challenge for the HW championship by Dempsey's (who called it the best fight he ever saw) own admission. The fight itself was a masterful performance with Greb alternately boxing rings around Gibbons and outslugging him when Gibbons was able to corner him despite Gibbons having every physical advantage. So with everything on the line, with all of the chips down, and with every advantage Gibbons lost. The weights for this bout were 171 for Gibbons and 163.5 for Greb.

If we are going to have a post titled Greb and the HWs lets have actual HWs (and use real reports, not boxrec blurbs) because the fact is that while Gibbons was an opponent for HW champion Jack Dempsey that fact is a damn shame for three reasons: 1. He didnt deserve it having lost a title eliminator to a MW, 2. He wasnt a HW, weighing only half a pound over the LHW limit when he fought Dempsey, and 3. Harry Wills deserved the shot over Gibbons by a country mile. The ONLY reason myself or most other people say that Greb deserved a shot at Dempsey is because if Dempsey was going to refuse to fight his #1 for the better part of a decade in favor of white guys then he might as well fight the white guy that was either kicking their ass or making them run for the hills. The idea that Dempsey gets a pass for fighting Greb's sloppy seconds simply because they were bigger than Greb (but nowhere near as threatening) is ludicrous. Its a sport. Results are what should matter, not the shiny veneer of a big guy fighting what LOOKS like an evenly matched guy based solely on measurements and weights. Only one guy really has a claim to say he deserved a shot at Dempsey. Thats Wills. BUT if you all the Dempsey nuthuggers are going to give their hero a pass for fighting all the no-hopers he did then certainly Greb deserved a shot more than the likes of Miske, Carpentier, Brennan, Gibbons, and Firpo.
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All academic, only the fights with official results count in the end, the ND fights are just for interest in the end. I am not doubting what you say but you could argue that the "losses" to Gibbons were just hearsay and that Gibbons never beat Greb at all. In the end they had four fights, officially the record stands at Greb 1 - Gibbons 0..... I am sure that will please you, Greb's number one nuthugger.

gregluland · Mar 30, 2016

klompton2 said: ↑

You took a wrong turn. The Les Darcy forum is somewhere else.:deal

BTW my son spilled g**** juice on the only film of Young Griffo ruining it. Better hope my harddrive never fails... Oh well, you would have never seen it anyway. :yep
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There is no Darcy forum, surprised you didn't know that Mr El Supremo.

Yeah that'd be right, the only film of Young Griffo.... which was in fact a short reel of him in an exhibition on a rooftop (so I heard).. no film was ever done of him in a real fight but typical of you to not look after a film of an Australian fighter, you should be hauled over the coals for this but you seem proud of yourself and you could copy it off your hard drive.

Everyday you just show yourself as a poor excuse for a human being

dempsey1234 · Mar 30, 2016

I am wetting myself now, , ha ha, all this for me for an idiot like me, thank you. All kidding aside, I do enjoy some of your posts, cos they fill in what I don't know. Back to rants, the few have spoken, it still doesnt change Dempsey's legacy one iota nobody but the few care, about Greb, Gibbon's, Wills, sure they were great fighters in their own right, but Dempsey was the man then and is the man now. I don't know why the few are still beating a dead horse to dust it's not going to change things. Regular people not great historians like yourself and your friends, but regular boxing fan's, are in awe of Dempsey, after viewing Dempsey in action, vs Willard, Firpo Sharkey, even Cowboy Luttrell. None of the guys you've mentioned, hold a candle to those fights in excitement not even Tunney's fight with Dempsey and what is remembered of the Tunney fights, the KD of Tunney. So be jealous all you want cos no matter what you say Dempsey was and still is the man. Also Grebs might have said Gibbon's hit harder then Dempsey, but since you are great boxing historians you should know Gibbon's had 6oz gloves and Dempsey had big sparring gloves. of 10oz or more not sure but I do know they weren't fight gloves of 6oz. How can you genius' not know the difference. When you make a point of saying that Gibbons punches harder then Dempsey, put in the fact that there was a difference in glove size. I am sorry if I come off as an ahole or arrogant but jeez enough is enough about Greb beating up Dempsey, in sparring, it was sparring, why don't you add that Greb butted Dempsey, causing a cut in his tongue where he bled the for the remainder of the sparring. Be fair let it all hang out, glove size, butt cut those things might have an affect on things. You are right we do like to see you squirm, cos you are the one calling people names and takes things personal,lol. Cant wait for your response.

gregluland · Mar 30, 2016

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I am wetting myself now, , ha ha, all this for me for an idiot like me, thank you. All kidding aside, I do enjoy some of your posts, cos they fill in what I don't know. Back to rants, the few have spoken, it still doesnt change Dempsey's legacy one iota nobody but the few care, about Greb, Gibbon's, Wills, sure they were great fighters in their own right, but Dempsey was the man then and is the man now. I don't know why the few are still beating a dead horse to dust it's not going to change things. Regular people not great historians like yourself and your friends, but regular boxing fan's, are in awe of Dempsey, after viewing Dempsey in action, vs Willard, Firpo Sharkey, even Cowboy Luttrell. None of the guys you've mentioned, hold a candle to those fights in excitement not even Tunney's fight with Dempsey and what is remembered of the Tunney fights, the KD of Tunney. So be jealous all you want cos no matter what you say Dempsey was and still is the man. Also Grebs might have said Gibbon's hit harder then Dempsey, but since you are great boxing historians you should know Gibbon's had 6oz gloves and Dempsey had big sparring gloves. of 10oz or more not sure but I do know they weren't fight gloves of 6oz. How can you genius' not know the difference. When you make a point of saying that Gibbons punches harder then Dempsey, put in the fact that there was a difference in glove size. I am sorry if I come off as an ahole or arrogant but jeez enough is enough about Greb beating up Dempsey, in sparring, it was sparring, why don't you add that Greb butted Dempsey, causing a cut in his tongue where he bled the for the remainder of the sparring. Be fair let it all hang out, glove size, butt cut those things might have an affect on things. You are right we do like to see you squirm, cos you are the one calling people names and takes things personal,lol. Cant wait for your response.
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:thumbsup Good response, and you basically nailed it here. I myself have never taken this sparring thing seriously but you do realise this is the Greb forum and he is the god here but too much fantasy rubbish, he is just greedy (Klomp), not happy or satisfied with Greb's many great ACTUAL achievements he has to rubbish guys like Dempsey and Darcy and anyone else who he THINKS takes Greb's lustre away.... Greb doesn't need it although I am sure his family left alive are grateful for Compton's book which I can't comment on because I never read it..... anyway, yes, we shall await the bell for the next round and expect the name calling to continue.

klompton2 · Mar 30, 2016

dempsey1234 said: ↑

I am wetting myself now, , ha ha, all this for me for an idiot like me, thank you. All kidding aside, I do enjoy some of your posts, cos they fill in what I don't know. Back to rants, the few have spoken, it still doesnt change Dempsey's legacy one iota nobody but the few care, about Greb, Gibbon's, Wills, sure they were great fighters in their own right, but Dempsey was the man then and is the man now. I don't know why the few are still beating a dead horse to dust it's not going to change things. Regular people not great historians like yourself and your friends, but regular boxing fan's, are in awe of Dempsey, after viewing Dempsey in action, vs Willard, Firpo Sharkey, even Cowboy Luttrell. None of the guys you've mentioned, hold a candle to those fights in excitement not even Tunney's fight with Dempsey and what is remembered of the Tunney fights, the KD of Tunney. So be jealous all you want cos no matter what you say Dempsey was and still is the man. Also Grebs might have said Gibbon's hit harder then Dempsey, but since you are great boxing historians you should know Gibbon's had 6oz gloves and Dempsey had big sparring gloves. of 10oz or more not sure but I do know they weren't fight gloves of 6oz. How can you genius' not know the difference. When you make a point of saying that Gibbons punches harder then Dempsey, put in the fact that there was a difference in glove size. I am sorry if I come off as an ahole or arrogant but jeez enough is enough about Greb beating up Dempsey, in sparring, it was sparring, why don't you add that Greb butted Dempsey, causing a cut in his tongue where he bled the for the remainder of the sparring. Be fair let it all hang out, glove size, butt cut those things might have an affect on things. You are right we do like to see you squirm, cos you are the one calling people names and takes things personal,lol. Cant wait for your response.
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Its called an education. You just got one.

Heres another: i never said gibbons hit greb harder than dempsey. Not sure where you pulled that out of but id guess it was your ass, like the rest of your facts.

Lol at you crying crocodile tears for big bad dempsey getting a cut tongue by the puny little greb. Boohoo. Lol. Real tough guy.

klompton2 · Mar 30, 2016

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There is no Darcy forum, surprised you didn't know that Mr El Supremo.

Yeah that'd be right, the only film of Young Griffo.... which was in fact a short reel of him in an exhibition on a rooftop (so I heard).. no film was ever done of him in a real fight but typical of you to not look after a film of an Australian fighter, you should be hauled over the coals for this but you seem proud of yourself and you could copy it off your hard drive.

Everyday you just show yourself as a poor excuse for a human being
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Of all the times ive been contacted by people looking for footage nobody ever asked about Griffo. I doubt i coulda given it away. I figured why not use it for a coaster. It was worthless.

And of all the people who should know that Griffo was filmed several times id think you would. Guess thats just another example of an australuan fighter i know more about than you.

dempsey1234 · Mar 30, 2016

klompton2 said: ↑

Its called an education. You just got one.
Heres another: i never said gibbons hit greb harder than dempsey. Not sure where you pulled that out of but id guess it was your ass, like the rest of your facts.
Lol at you crying crocodile tears for big bad dempsey getting a cut tongue by the puny little greb. Boohoo. Lol. Real tough guy.
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The ravings of a madman, cos you always think it's about you, see this proves it, someone else posted that remark. My reply to that was a fact I would say that's at least one fact, that you never discussed. It was a good quote, which makes you think, "is that true?" "Did he hit harder?" To you it was a personal attack not true but you cant reason with some people cos then they get to be silly as in K's last post. You win, I wave the white flag, I give up Greb would and should have been the greatest HW champ ever. OK!?!

Unforgiven · Mar 31, 2016

Gibbons might have said Miske hit harder than Dempsey but he ran and clinched and hugged most of his way through the Dempsey fight, so his statement is tainted, imo.
He did considerably better against Miske.
Looked like got a little taste of Dempsey's power and didn't want to know too much more, or else he simply feared Dempsey's strength or power and didn't get a chance to fully taste it. Something inhibited him anyway.
Post-fight bravado counts for little.
Anyway, he deserves credit for going 15 rounds with Dempsey, even the 2-years- rusty version he faced.
Gibbons was a good boxer.

BCS8 · Mar 31, 2016

A few thoughts on this thread:

1) Calling Klompton a nuthugger and a madman may well be amusing, but it in no way is a tangible response to the torrent of information he has laid out here. Yeah, so sometimes he may seem arrogant and overbearing ... but MY question is: is he wrong? It seems to me that your opposition to him is driven more by personal animosity than the facts. McVey was getting on my ti ts a while back but after ****ysing the information at hand, I concluded that he was right and I was wrong, and conceded the issue. Have some grace.

2) The debate whether Greb could (would?) beat Dempsey is moot since it is so long ago that it didn't happen, and that there is no footage existing of Greb. However the case that Klompton laid that Greb deserved a shot is to my mind very solid indeed. That much is clear.

3) Possibly the reason Dempsey wasn't keen on fighting Greb is that he was a pretty fast fighter with great power. Greb by all accounts sounds even faster and as hard as boiled leather. In other words, it was a particularly cra ppy style matchup and he wasn't keen on finding out what would happen. It's a case of maybe Dempsey liked to have a speed / power advantage even more than a weight advantage. This is just speculation.

My 2c

gregluland · Mar 31, 2016

klompton2 said: ↑

Of all the times ive been contacted by people looking for footage nobody ever asked about Griffo. I doubt i coulda given it away. I figured why not use it for a coaster. It was worthless.

And of all the people who should know that Griffo was filmed several times id think you would. Guess thats just another example of an australuan fighter i know more about than you.
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You see that just proves me right for the thousanth time about you.... idiotic to say no one would care to see Griffo, he was better than Greb you donkey....... I never heard of a fight of his being filmed and if no film available then it's just hearsay.... Mr Proof. You can't even spell the word Australian so go back and edit quick before the others see it.

gregluland · Mar 31, 2016

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, cos you always think it's about you, see this proves it, someone else posted that remark. My reply to that was a fact I would say that's at least one fact, that you never discussed. It was a good quote, which makes you think, "is that true?" "Did he hit harder?" To you it was a personal attack not true but you cant reason with some people cos then they get to be silly as in K's last post. You win, I wave the white flag, I give up Greb would and should have been the greatest HW champ ever. OK!?!
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Lol I gotta remember that for Klompton, yep you nailed it again, the ravings of a madman is every post he does whenever he gets emotional and that seems to be alway.

gregluland · Mar 31, 2016

BCS8 said: ↑

A few thoughts on this thread:

1) Calling Klompton a nuthugger and a madman may well be amusing, but it in no way is a tangible response to the torrent of information he has laid out here. Yeah, so sometimes he may seem arrogant and overbearing ... but MY question is: is he wrong? It seems to me that your opposition to him is driven more by personal animosity than the facts. McVey was getting on my ti ts a while back but after ****ysing the information at hand, I concluded that he was right and I was wrong, and conceded the issue. Have some grace.

2) The debate whether Greb could (would?) beat Dempsey is moot since it is so long ago that it didn't happen, and that there is no footage existing of Greb. However the case that Klompton laid that Greb deserved a shot is to my mind very solid indeed. That much is clear.

3) Possibly the reason Dempsey wasn't keen on fighting Greb is that he was a pretty fast fighter with great power. Greb by all accounts sounds even faster and as hard as boiled leather. In other words, it was a particularly cra ppy style matchup and he wasn't keen on finding out what would happen. It's a case of maybe Dempsey liked to have a speed / power advantage even more than a weight advantage. This is just speculation.

My 2c
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I agree that sometimes he puts good information but rarely does he post without it being an emotional event for him and yes he is wrong a lot more than you may think.... this guys gets on some peoples nerves a lot because he loves to say some great fighters were garbage, like Dempsey, Les Darcy and on this thread he is trying to make out that Young Griffo was a bum and I believe he says stuff like that because he is unhinged. I joined this forum years ago when I browsed in here looking to see what people say here about Les Darcy and I found this thread where this guy was saying the most outrageous anti Australian stuff and name calling everyone of the Aussies that were here so I came on here angry as hell because of some of the biased and untrue stuff he said about Darcy, I couldn't believe anyone could possibly hate the tragic Darcy but I was wrong, anyway he hasn't changed. First I tried to reason with him but he just insisted I was an Aussie bloke he had arguments before but I wasn't. Anyway nearly every one of the Aussies left here in disgust and never came back but I meet some of them in facebook boxing sites.

BCS8 · Mar 31, 2016

Ahem ... the Aussies here are harder on Aussie boxing than Klompton by a looong stretch. Check out the Aussie thread in General. Practically every current Oz boxer is described in the terms of a "farking dog quitter bum" or "useless bogan bum" etc.

I don't think Klompton has ever described Dempsey as "garbage" and if he did I would disagree strongly with him. Have to admit I don't know enough about Darcy to make an informed comment one way or the other.

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