Joe Louis vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

Ahem. Some MMA guys actually have a decent boxing background. You might be surprised :hey

 

Example?

 

ihope u are being ironic, and referring to their current age.

 

slav you simply don't know what enough about the human body. cardio is gained at the expense of gaining weight or being heavier, first rule. this is why there are no 7 foot tall marathon runners, they would simply gass out and lose to smaller inferiors, because their larger hearts are less efficient at pumping blood.

Your problem is that you think ability is a number line that just goes up. life is not as simple as kindergarden mathematics.

 

utter idiot statements.

 

Stop embarrassing yourself mate.

We discussed this a few months ago.

Why do you keep comparing sprinting with boxing?

It's absolutely laughable.


What the f*ck has sports science and nutrition etc, have to do with the skills that a fighter has to master?

The answer is NOTHING!

Advancements in sports science, nutrition, facilities and equipment etc, can aid modern fighters. But at the end of the day, a left hook is a left hook. Balance and timing will never change. Punch variation will never change.

Boxing does not evolve in the same way that other sports do.

I'm sick of reading your ridiculous posts.


Just look at it like this:

If boxing progressed each decade like sprinting and swimming, today's guys would be classed as the best fighters ever. Yet they aren't.

Yes, today's sprinters are the fastest men to ever run.

Yes, today's swimmers are the fastest to ever swim.


Now are today's MW's the best MW's of all time? No. The MW's of the 80's and 90's would obliterate the current division.

Are today's HW's the best HW's of all time? No.

Are the best P4P fighters today the best boxers of ALL TIME? No.


The best fighters today are no better than the best fighters of the last 20-30 years.


Now please go away.

 

If you're not trolling, I pity you as a fan of this great sport.

I guess Ray Robinson couldn't beat any of today's top 10 WW's?

I guess Monzon couldn't beat any of today's top 10 MW's?


You are a joke!

 

Clueless mate!

A tragic post of epic proportions.

Ray Leonard couldn't beat Kell Brook at WW, on the grounds that a sprinter from 30 plus years ago couldn't beat Usain Bolt in a race.



:nut

 

"NURSE!"

:nut

 

Ignorance?

Most fighters today WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIGHT FOR 15 ROUNDS.




I can only hope that your posts are you just having some fun.

 

This guy's an absolute joker.

He'll be telling us that Pulev would have beaten Foreman and Ali next.

 

What a dumb comparison. What has MMA got to do with this? If Joe Louis was an MMA fighter (let's assume that it existed back then) he wouldn't be able to do **** against Overeem and Jon Jones either.

In some way boxers past their athletic prime losing against random bums is a good example of that. Technique, experience, skill and ring IQ increase with age but you simply can't keep up with the pace and athleticism of younger guys that's why so many fighters take roids to extend their careers deep into their 30s.

Yes it does. Nutrition and supplements help you to train more often and train better. Which gives you more time to develop and implement technique during training/sparring. Try eating complete garbage food for a week while training hard and then eat healthy the next week and you'll see that you'll be able to train much better on the 2nd week.

Modern boxers have better technique than the old ones. They also benefit from 70 years more of knowledge and tradition compared to the times of Joe Louis.

They were fighting against fighters who were on their level of conditioning, at a snail's pace.

It has everything to do with sport and everything to do with boxing because there are similar principles behind every sport. In every sport you have to train hard and not just that sport as such but a lot of training is purely strength and conditioning. That's why steroids give you advantage in every single sport, as I said, by your logic people should be allowed to roid freely. No one of you delusional nostalgics has yet been able to refute that argument.

 

The thinking of delusional fools like you defies all logic.

Left hook is a left hook but if you practice that left hook longer and better your left hook will be better too. Which is where nutrition and conditioning comes into play.

As I said million times, if your line of thinking was true we wouldn't need to worry about all that PED testing in boxing.

I guess you're one of the people who complain about Floyd's IV and that sort of stuff. So PEDs give Floyd an unfair advantage over Pacman yet somehow a modern boxer wouldn't have any advantage over someone who lived before WW2?

Yes they are better. There's also another dimension to modern boxing which you continue to ignore and that is that boxing got more global after collapse of communism. Eastern European fighters came to dominate. Before that it was mostly American fighters and now when Americans are hardly relevant anymore American boxing fans have become delusional nostalgics.

To sum it up, we have a sport which has progressed in terms of training (just like all other sports have) and has become much more global yet somehow it has inferior athletes to all previous eras? And the only argument as to why it's supposedly so is some sentimental **** with nothing rational to stand on.

 

Just STOP.

Advancements in sports science do not win fights.

Skills win fights.

The fighter who has the better skilset wins.


Give Kell Brook a chef.

Give him a sports strategist.

Give him $200 trainers to run in.

Give him a masseuse.

Give him a nutritionist.

Guess what, he wouldn't beat Ray Leonard from the early 80's, who had none of the above, and who used run miles in baseball shoes.

Why?

Because Ray Leonard WAS A BETTER FIGHTER!


If I could get Marty McFly round to my house in the Delorean, I'd make you look a damn fool.


One final thing:

If today's athletes are so superior, why do many of them gas after 10 rounds at a fast pace?

Ha! Most of today's so called superior athletes would struggle fighting more than 4 times a year, and fighting 15 round fights. And if their skills have improved, where's the double hooks? Where's the use of the upper cut? Where's the body punches? Where's the in-fighting skills instead of hugging the opponent to death? None of those things are common today.

Go and watch Mike McCallum from just 30 years ago, and then look at today's top ten JMW's and MW's.

You are clueless.

Boxing isn't a race.

It's a battle of skill, balance, timing.

A physical game of chess.

The Sweet Science.

The strongest, fittest guy does not automatically prevail.

Skills are the most important thing in determining who wins a fight. Which is why the best fighters of all time dating back to over 70 years ago, would be able to beat some of today's best fighters.

 

I see slowness and stiffness if I compare them to modern fighters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSE281i5gNM

I honestly don't know what the hell you sentimental nostalgics are watching.

It's like Emperor's New Clothes when no one dares to say anything about this charade.

This
http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dy...97396826574_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=420x

vs this
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/e4/af/31e4afa5b593c1e80550c1736c554a62.jpg

Klitschko is also 10cm taller.