Joe Louis vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

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NO, as a whole, today's best fighters aren't the best fighters of all time.

Only an absolute moron would think that today's MW's would prevail over the MW's of the 80's and 90's.

The HW's today are no better than the HW's of the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Stop embarrassing yourself.


You are obsessed with sports science etc.

You need to go and watch the fighters of the past and stop trying to compare the art of fighting to sprinting and swimming.

 

Joe Louis was an amazing fighter. He has done more in the sport and pioneered it further than Wlad Klitschko ever will. He was also in far tougher fights and beat better men than Wlad did.

In saying that. He only beat better men in relation to his time. Would Wlad walk through all Louis' opposition? Most likely. But we're they better men than Wlad faced in proportion to his era? Yes. Louis pioneered his style and pushed boxing forward. He was innovative and grounded many of the signature attributes seen in modern boxing. He worked without tapes of fights, without teams of perfected sports scientists to hone his diet, exercise, technique. Through all that he became an ATG.

But he'd lose to Wlad. Physical assets. Perfected training techniques, size. Louis was an ATG and a pioneer. And it's no slight on him to say he'd lose to a modern ATG.

Look at MMA. It's in the crude development stages still. People are perfecting styles still. In 60-70 years time you'll have men who have it down to a sweet science. The guys who are fighting today and who will go down as MMA ATG's will always have their place as amazing fighters. But the guys in 70 years time will most likely beat everyone fighting today.

 

Look, there's fighters of today who are better than some fighters of the past. Likewise, there's fighters of the past who are better than some fighters of today.

There's been a progression from the M.O.Q. but boxing doesn't progress each decade like some other sports have.

While it would be impossible for a sprinter of 40 years ago to have beaten today's top sprinters, it wouldn't be impossible for a fighter of 40 years ago to beat some of today's top fighters.

In boxing, there's strong eras and weak eras.

There's strong divisions and weak divisions. Over time, it changes. That's the way it's been for years now.

The best P4P fighters of today, ARE NOT the best fighters of all time, in the same way that today's top sprinters are the fastest.

How hard is that to grasp?

Are you going to seriously tell me that Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes couldn't have competed in today's HW division?

Are you going to tell me that Michael Spinks and Bob Foster couldn't have competed in today's LHW division?

I'm cringing at the mere thought of your response.

You are so ignorant.

Many fighters of the past were FITTER than many of today's best fighters, because they fought more regularly, over a longer distance. They didn't balloon up and cut weight to fight 3-4 times per year. Many of them were in shape all year round, with many fighting every few months.

You really need to educate yourself on the sport before making any further comments.

 

Joe Louis would have won some and lost some against the best HW's of the last 40 years. And the same applies to Wlad.

There's no way Wlad would have gone 11 years undefeated in earlier eras.

 

Joe Louis is ten times better than anyone Vlad has fought.

 

Did you just deem MMA a dumb comparison to boxing??? Directly After you drew upon running and football(soccer) as legit comparisons to boxing?
Are you seriously this stupid?

You failed to give an example of this. You couldn't because you don't know what you're talking about.

So Joe Louis needed a better diet to improve his technique? Explain where Joe's faults would have been improved by better eating. While you're at it , explain what was this garbage diet Joe feasted on?

I asked you to name them , so i know who you're talking about so i can combat your trolling. Who are they?

You also ignored the request to explain how fighters had the stamina and conditioning to box upwards of 30 rounds.

Im arguing the corner for guys who who trained the old school way and eat pure organic food free from pesticides and chemicals.

When did I say boxer should be allowed 'roid freely' ?? There is nothing to refute because you're talking out your ass.

 

this video
actually look faster than modern hws. I can only surmise that you are living on planet K, where slow means fast and fast means slow when it involves putting the K bros in a positive light.

in which case there is no point arguing with someone who thinks white is black.

 

Which is where training and coaching comes into play. Tought by trainers who knew more about the construct of skill and technique in just the left ball than the majority of trainers in the game today.

You'd be kicked out head first of any gym if you went in there sprouting that nonsense.

Would you go up to Hopkins and say this chit? He'd laugh right into your stupid face.

The American trainer of Slavic boxer Usyk has openly criticized the competence of today's trainer's. Trainers are not as good as they used to be is exactly what he said. Calling guys like Adam Booth a joke.

Adam Booth is one of the best nutritionists and dietitians in the sport. By your logic , he should be one of the best trainers.
Why isn't Alex Ariza one of the top trainers in the sport?

 

yeh I'd like to know how, if you eat a modern energy bar rather than the more than adequate energy foods available to joe louis, it gives you a better left hook than joe Louis.

this will be interesting.

 

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Brutal!

 

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And again.

Let's just hope he's trolling us for a joke.

Only on here would you get someone comparing boxing with sprinting.

 

Calling Louis a pioneer is wrong. He was the most skilled heavyweight in the history of the sport. He was the complete package. Nearly everything a boxer could do, he did with textbook perfection.

Wlad probably beats him though. Too big and disciplined, Louis would have trouble getting close with his shuffling footwork.

 

He sounds the same as all the previous guys who sprouted this garbage. Starting to think its just one man who a multitude of different accounts.