Joe Louis vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

why you now lost your temper?

it would be much easier for you to simply type the one line answer to my question than go into a multiparagraph tirade without answering it.

just answer.

 

lb for lb I would take Joe in a heartbeat over Waldo.

Plus I don't think the outcome would be a forgone conclusion, they are both hard hitting dudes capable of sparking the other out.

All I know is I boxed for years at a club and I boxed on many occasions bigger dudes and many occasions smaller dudes and I found that the smaller dudes were easier to beat up by far. In fact the most talented dudes I fought were small dudes as the talented bigger dudes had no use for me. The angles of fighting a BIG and TALL dude suck. Unless the big and tall dude sucks and in that case it doesn't really matter as much.

I would take Waldo over Louis head to head "mainly" because of the size difference. I would take guys like Lewis over Louis with even more confidence just because fighting bigger guys with skill is not easy. Yes I am aware that Louis fought some big tall dudes and did very well against them. I simply don't think those big guys were as skilled as todays big guys imo.

 

why you now talking like caveman?

hey that wasn't anger that was truth dude, plus I enjoyed typing it because it was so easy it just flowed out so smoothly from me :rasta

Herol, instead of creating a WILD goose chase for members to read, why don't you accept my 3rd request of you to simply ask me whatever question you are INTERESTED in again, clearly this time???

Is that so difficult?

I know it is about what I said about the heavys and the other weights but I am not clear on the exact angle you are coming from?

To recap, I said that imo the Heavys have gotten better over the years when compared to 50 to 100 years ago mainly because they had gotten much LARGER and STRONGER. Then I said that I didn't think that was as true with the other weights. Then you started talking like a wanna be gangster, I truthfully didn't know what you were asking of me, I tried to clarify that to you well you kept repeating like a gangster, "ANSWER THE QUESTION" ,,,

why spend countless posts demanding I answer a question that you wont even repeat to clarify?

 

stop deflecting, just answer.

cheers (for when u do finally, I expect u to deflect for a while yet)

 

Herol, the other weight classes have stayed the same but the heavys without a limit have gotten bigger and imo better over the last 50 to 100 years.

The other divisions in my opinion have not gotten BETTER over the years to the same degree as the heavys because they have not had the added advantage of getting BIGGER and remaining very skilled at the same time.

Is that clear enough for you? I ask because I am confused because the way you asked your original question was unclear imo. That's why I have re-quoted your original question above.

If not you could always just be fair and RESTATE the question in more clearly as I have asked of you for several posts in a row now??

Unless you are trolling me this entire time not really wanting me to answer it, which wouldn't surprise me :bbb

 

NOW you say bigger and better ... well no ones denying an increase in size.
BUT the OP's claim that I highlighted is that they are more mobile, more talented, more skilled.

so one more time of asking -do you, yes agree with the OP that they are today more mobile, more talented more skilled.... or no, u disagree?

just write YES or NO.

 

I cant write YES or NO when you are asking a confused question, let me explain myself Herol,,,,,

I am stating that the bigger guys of today are BETTER than the bigger guys of past. In addition I am claiming that because the bigger guys of today are better than the bigger guys of yesterday they would imo more often than not BEAT the smaller heavyweight champs of past. Understand now why your question was misdirected from the get go? Thus I would still state that lb for lb some of the lighter champs of past were more skilled and thus BETTER than some of the top big guys of today, however, I don't think that would be enough to beat them.

That's why you don't go around like a wanna be gangster demanding others answer your specific questions if you wont allow them the fairness of giving you a specific answer in return. Its called "fair debating" :deal

 

by the way, this was the VERY FIRST time you had phrased this question CLEARLY and therefore it was the very first time I could try to give you a CLEAR answer,,,,

don't try to pretend you were asking me to answer a clear question these last half dozen or so posts, be a man and admit your original question was unclear from the get go before you took the time to RESTATE it as I asked you originally :deal

 

Louis footwork was mostly shuffling. Wlad can move around the ring very well. Louis could not catch up,easily. He would need set his feet and get past the distance where only Wlad can land, and penetrate Wlad's good defense.

A tall order.

And Louis defense often had a low guard, a stick your face forward type of style.

Translation, Wlad's jab, and laser like right hand would have a field day.

Louis to win would need to jump on Wlad like Sanders did. Winning the way Brewster did is not an option.

 

why cant you answr yes or no to "do you think todays Hws more mobile more skilled more talented?"

to break it down -
are they more mobile today? Yes or NO
are they more talented today? YES or NO
arethey more skilfull today? YES or NO

what part of it is a confused question? ITS COMPLETELY STRAIGHTFORWARD, you either agree YES or disagree NO.

why do you call a YES/NO answer question, a confused one?

why are you repeating something you've written that's NOT relating to the OP post.


Stop doing that and telling me if you agree with HIS STATEMENT or not. 6th time of asking.thx.

 

like 37 tear old retired failed career sanders did, or journeyman Brewster did, as well as others.

not atg number 1 ever Louis. Uhuh, Kturd detector says yes.

 

your question to me is,

"do you think todays Hws more mobile more skilled more talented?"

some are and some aren't,,,,

that's if size is taken out of the question, the heavys of past were not as big and thus I stated, the bigger guys of today are more mobile,, talented and better than the bigger heavys of the past, keep in mind the bigger heavys of the past were not the biggest guys.

 

Not as bad a double ktfo from a crackhead and a bum ktfo'd twice by the chinny Big O. He'd have no chance vs coke head Louis either, eh.

 

I'll take Louis for one, simple reason. Vlad was battered early by one of the best punchers he faced(Sanders), and hid behind his jab all night against another(Haye).

I think he would be very wary of Louis's power and fight in a timid fashion. Louis would gamble more than Haye and catch Vladimir more and more as the fight wore on. Late stoppage for Joe, and I couldn't give a **** about the size difference.

 

I'm not sure.

I hate the sprinting comparisons.