Greb and the Heavyweights- Tommy Gibbons

Good post very good an alysis.

 

If you know fighters when the camera is on, they will perform. the klump wouldn't know better, he wasn't there, I posted a blurb that said Greb got hit with a good body shot, from a guy who was there and he ridiculed it. The klump is a reader of articles and very selective in whipping out articles to support whatever he says. I have asked time and again what HW did Greb beat from 1919 to 1925, that had the same attributes as a young Dempsey. The answer is none. So how can you be so sure that Greb didn't feel Dempsey's power in that sparring session. Grebs own manager and Greb himself said a short fight is to their benefit. I have posted two articles from 1922 by great sports writers, Grantland Rice and Damon Runyon, which broke down the fight and they all said about the same thing a short fight Greb had a shot but over the long haul, fergetaboutit. Now who am I to believe klump or Greb, his manager, Rice and Runyon who actually seen and talked to the two fighters. I called Engel's offer to fight Dempsey as laughable, and it was. Engels, wanted a limited round fight and in Greb's hometown. In any era the champion dictates the terms not the challenger. Engel himself said, if Kearns and Dempsey are agreeable. The klump, would say, you see they had a legit offer and they ducked out, oh please.

 

Seamus, whether Greb deserved a shot cos he beat all these HW's you could argue that. Greb seemed to have lost that battle 90+ yrs ago. There was more clamoring for a Greb shot 90+yrs later then there was 90+yrs ago. That he didn't get the shot, was it fair? Was it right? You could argue that it wasn't.
But to come on here and say that Greb would have beaten Dempsey or even had a shot mostly based on that he beat a
bunch of LHW's and John Ruiz's of the time and a short sparring session, with Dempsey, makes no sense. IMO it doesnt make for a very strong case, 90+yrs later. The klump has an agenda, make more of Greb as a "threat" to Dempsey, then the greatness
he achieved as a LHW-MW, that might not sell, but that Dempsey was ducking him, now that's saying something. From what I have read from Greb, his manager and guys who actually seen both live agree in a short fight maybe in a long fight no. I asked the klump to name one legit HW that Greb fought that, had the speed, the power and the aggresive style of Dempsey, he ducks that and comes back with he beat Gibbons and Tunney. Gibbons gave Greb a tougher fight as a MW then he did as a "HW". Another thing the klump doesnt realize cos he knows nothing about boxing. You can move your head, your feet but your body is a big target. Dempsey would have worked the body as he did when he stopped Miske the first time. Greb, never faced a heavyweight like Dempsey. You can argue all day that Greb deserved the shot, but the reality is that Dempsey had more then enough power and skill to deliver that power to what Greb was a SMW.
Here might be a clue to the thinking of the time, maybe after Dempsey fought Carpentier, a LHW, people said wont get fooled again, no more MW's and LHW's, paying good money for a slaughter.
At the time there was nobody like Dempsey, why only address the fact that Greb beat a LHW Gene Tunney, I know klump says that Tunney weighed 181 in the 4th fight. In the last fight with Greb, Tunney concentrated his attack on Grebs heart and body, don't you think Dempsey, Dempsey who had more firepower than Tunney, would have done the same. One of Dempsey's best punches was a right to the heart. Klump should be thankful that Greb never fought Dempsey, what kind of superman would Greb be if Dempsey had crippled him.

 

Seamus, you should know throughout boxing history, guys that seemingly deserve the shot, never get it. And in almost all the cases there is a reason other than they were scared. How many uncrowned champions have you heard of and in every era, and in every division.
The fight never happened whether he deserved it or not, the only ones bringing it up is people now, there was no clamoring for the fight at that time, that should say something. Dempsey was just just too big and powerful for Greb and that's how the people of that time saw it, and again as Greb and his manager and the boxing writers of the time saw it. So really arguing about a fight that didn't happen is a moot point. The question shouldn't be did he deserve the shot, it should be whether he had a shot, and the people of that time spoke, the fight never happened.