Joe Louis vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

Put these 'modern heavyweights' under the 37 degree Cuban heat in 1915 and they'd be carried out of the ring after 6 rounds.

Yet Johnson and Williard fought each other to round 26.

 

I speak 6 languages, I have classic education, academic career and scientific publications. If I'm mentally restricted in any way what does that make you?

I compared the common principles that are similar in all sports. Your ****ogy makes no sense and is completely irrelevant to anything we're dicsussing here.

Boxers are athletes and boxing will never be anything else but a sport. A sport where physical preparation, kinesiology, nutrition, physiotherapy etc. plays an important part, just like in any other sports. Because those things have improved massively over the last decades, the sport of boxing and athletes participating in it have improved too. Or do you think people involved in boxing who have invested in modern training have spent tons of money for nothing and are just wasting their time because training like an athlete from the 40s would give similar or even better results?

The way people are talking about boxing here makes it look like some bar brawler thing where you could go on drinking and cocaine binges and still win fights because "a left hook is a left hook" and it's all about "technique", "skill"...

In reality boxers have to live a lifestyle of an athlete and the specialists that deal with them and their training regime, nutrition, medical condition etc. are similar or sometimes the same guys that prepare other top athletes in all kinds of sports.

Obviously different sports demand different things, but the underlying principles are the same: eat, train, recover.

No it's not, I've posted several different arguments and you didn't try to refute any of them, you just take a shot of certain details and take them out of context.

Obviously he wasn't. He was conditioned well for his time which proves my point even further that conditioning is important for boxing. Now imagined what an 21st century elite A level athlete with top experts would do if he would be somehow sent to that era.

Probably because it can't be proven and my arguments don't stand on fall on that thing alone so it's not that relevant. Unlike your totally unproven statements which you present as facts like "Marciano was the greatest conditioned fighter of all times"

 

As I said, there are fat boxers but those guys have a huge muscle mass beneath that. Give Fury the same body fat % as Louis had and he would look ripped.

 

You're demanding specific things here. Who knows how 5 top boxers now would deal with the guys from 40s. Maybe there wouldn't be enough time for them to gas because they'd be KO already. But obviously their conditioning would have problems with the pace of modern boxing more often than not.

 

So you can't achieve the simple task of producing 5 names?

You made a claim you can't back up.

 

You brought up guys from a lot wider era than I did and you obviously assume those fighters would be in their prime. If we take such a wide span of years I could put guys like Vitaly and Lewis, Haye from few years ago etc. Or potential beasts that guys like Joshua, Usyk, H. Fury, guys from the coming Olympics etc. could become when they hit their prime.

Take a specific year and compare it to 2015/16.

Also, what do the guys you listed all have in common? They're all AMERICANS!!

The guys from our era come from a wide variety of backgrounds, reflecting the larger talent pool of our era, which is why modern era is stronger and better.

Those guys like Lyle and Shavers could as well lose to some Ukrainian coal minners turned pro for all we know.

As soon as Eastern Europeans were allowed to go pro there are hardly any Americans relevant at HW.. What has happened to them?? Where are they??

Wladimir Klitschko fought people of all nationalities and races. Joe Louis fought a bunch of Americans and a German Nazi.

 

Pick any 5 names you want. Against Wlad and Povetkin they would all look like Rod Salka against Garcia.

 

John McDermott who in reality beat Fury would demolish WALDO.

It is only fair to say factually that Joe Louis would do the same.

 

WTF is a classic education ? :nut

So what HW from recent times is better and more conditioned than Marciano?

 

Firstly , you said all boxers from the 40s would gas out against the guys of today

Ray Robinson
Ezzzrd Charles
Henry Armstrong
Jake LaMotta
Tony Zale

 

Against elite guys of today if they'd push the pace and drag the fight to go the distance. Yes, most likely. I think I said more often than not.

 

You're a troll and have no interest in boxing outside of a bunch of boxers from a certain demographic. Its obvious you never watched boxing before in your life. Fools like you are bitter all the greats don't come from the Ukraine so set out on an agenda to rubbish their careers.
People of your ilk are a disease to forums. No other sport do you get maggots tarnishing the legacy of former greats.

You're not a sports fan. You're a prick

 

Shut up you fuking idiot.

 

I don't know which is worse. That statement , or the fact you rubbished early ears fighters ability to go upwards of 30 rounds based off you going 10 rounds in sparring atschtired

 

Were the above - stiff , slow and fought at a snails pace?