Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier

Tillis was an Ali wannabe and nothing more.

 

That's precisely my point, wass1985 claimed Tillis stood toe to toe and slugged it out with Tyson, which simply isn't true.

 

Jesus that's a long career, name? I'll look at your record on BoxerRec...

Still you're a little skinny for me, I'm weighing a trim 16 stone 7lb at the minute.

 

Go watch the fight, Tillis slugged it out with Tyson on numerous occasions.

 

Tillis fought like a prime Ali.

 

Tysons main problem was frustration, not will to win.

He showed signs of it during the Tucker bout, but with Rooney in his corner he was able to channel this quickly, the only time his mental issues came out was against Holyfield in the second fight because there was no Rooney in his corner and Tyson himself has stated numerous times that he bit Holyfield out of frustration.

Regarding will to win, i don't understand how Tysons will is questioned, how else did he find that uppercut vs Douglas? How else did he KO Botha (in a fight he was losing), even vs Holyfield Tyson stood toe to toe and the stoppage was because he wasn't fighting back (mainly through exhaustion).

And these losses, namely Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis were guys who outboxed Tyson, kept him at bay while taking very little punishment. Completely the opposite way to how Frazier fought.

Frazier doesn't have an 80+inch reach like Douglas and Lewis and Tucker which he's going to keep Tyson at bay.

Frazier would be one of Tysons easiest fights because he literally would have half of his work done for him.

I used the Ruddock fights because they showed Tyson can participate in a slugfest, continue late into the fight and still come out on top. So no Frazier wont be turning anything around or making a comeback in round 10 or something because he would have been stopped by then.

 

Don't hurt me now

 

Tyson showed frustration in plenty of bouts. Make your mind up, a minute ago you said Holyfield didn't slug it out with Tyson now above you say Tyson went toe to toe with Holyfield.

You believe his stoppage to Holyfield was down to exhaustion? I suggest you go watch the last 20 seconds of round 10 where Tyson is turned into a zombie.

 

Don't worry I'd take it easy on you. I'm up for a bit of fun, winner picks a charity. I can come to your gym and I'm sure some on here would be up for it.

 

I agree Frazier would be stopped early. However Joe had the guts Tyson lacked. If it went late Joe stops Tyson. Tyson did not have this very important ATG characteristic. This is why he is not ranked higher than he is BTW.

 

Tyson wouldn't need guts vs Frazier, he had the power to get through. Frazier won't be seeing round 6.

Against Ali, Tyson would need it.

 

If you read my post, I said that was mainly down to exhaustion, even the commentators mentioned this and bought this up and asked Holyfield about it at the end of the fight to which Holyfield responds "It wasn't about him being tired, it was about me being guided by the holy spirit".

That's why, in the rematch Tyson said he fought cautiously for the first few rounds, because he didn't want to blow his load again like he did in the first fight.

 

I wouldn't be up for it, I heard you were garbage but you cant admit it so you go on boxing forums in a attempt to get the attention you don't get from your gym :bbb

hey no offense, I am just quoting rumour :good

as far as Tyson and Frazier I cant see Joe competing with Tysons freaking speed, focus and desire in his prime, don't get me wrong I love Joe!!!! But love him or hate him Tyson was a fast moving power house in ways that I think would overwhelm Joe.

 

Tyson pretty early ko for me. Probably posted that already. Tyson is woeful for Joe.

 

you could be right, well I agree with you other than I would only agree that Frazier and Holy had more guts, I wouldn't agree that Tyson lacked guts, he may not have had quite as much as those two but those two are two of the toughest in the history of the sport.