Wow, the edginess in here is real. Bunch of internet tough guys. I would probably pick Tyson in under 6 rounds but if anybody would be Abe to beat Tyson at his own game it would be Frazier. Frazier had tons of heart, a great left hook and very good head movement. I think a fight on the inside would be weird for both guys because they are both use to being the aggressor and pursuing an opponent - the main tools for Tyson here would the right uppercut and left hooks. It would also be interesting to see how Tyson would do past 8 rounds, because his KOs weren't as frequent late in fights. If Frazier were to win it would be on late stoppage or points, from outworking him and smothering him on the inside and getting a lot of work in late in the fight. I could actually see a scenario where Tyson floors Frazier early with an uppercut, Frazier gets up, gets knocked down again but battles back and survives the onslaught to wear Tyson down late in the fight. Then again Tyson was a phenomenal finisher, I just don't know if he would Smoke Smokin Joe so quickly. THis would be a war no matter the outcome. I lean towards Tyson by TKO early but it would be amazing and i can't see Joe going down easy.
Im not saying it isn't worthy of debate. I do think it's patently obvious though. When thinking of the hardest punchers in history Tyson comes to mind but Joe doesn't. Whilst there is no resolution, it's always fun watching these beat ten bells of **** out of their opposition.
Surely it's all relative. He was "Smokin' Joe Frazier", known for fighting at a pace that opponents couldn't handle. A pressure fighter. Him being a "slow starter" is relative to his style in that respect. He wasn't a slow starter by ordinary standards, but by the standards of how HE fought. True, Tyson had far better two-handed power. But Frazier didn't lack for landing his wicked left very often, and a respectable right (let's not pretend his right fist was a feather). Yes, you make a valid point. The right hand gives Tyson an edge in that regard.
Joe comes to mind to be honest. He had a lot of great knockouts with left hooks. Joe comes to mind when I'm thinking about who had the Baddst LEft Hooks of all time. He looked like he fücking KO'd Ali with that left hook for a second in the 15th round.
Well, dozens of heavyweights hit seriously hard. I think Tyson and Frazier come to mind more as aggressively beastly fighters rather than pure one-punch hitters, but I wouldn't exclude either of them from the conversation as "hardest punchers in history". Tyson's more of a combination puncher for me. Fast too.
And it gets to the point were your comparing being hit over the head with a baseball bat and being hit over the head with a brick. When I say more powerful I think Tyson has the power, speed and aggression to overwhelm Frazier. I don't think the converse is true. However, if Tyson doesn't get Frazier out of there within 5, Frazier will probably perform better down the stretch and the more frustrated Mike gets the more susceptible he is to being chinned by a left hook.
As others have noted, it would be a match-up between the fastest starter in the division's history versus arguably the slowest. I would not have any confidence in Joe Frazier's ability to weather Tyson's best shots in the early goings. And considering Frazier's all-action style, you'd probably expect Tyson to be landing with regularity. Only the most durable and solid-chinned of fighters would be able to withstand Tyson's very best. I don't think Frazier qualifies. If I had to part with my well-earned money, then I'm putting it all on Mike Tyson. Early.
oh was it? My bad if that was the truth, I swear I remember you claiming you were going to beat up Azz and I came in and mocked you :think sorry if I was mistaken :good