Greb and the Heavyweights- Tommy Gibbons

Complete gibberish.

You cherry picked newspaper articles to create a false history. It can be done with any historical event. I can create a false history that Ali really won fight 1 against Frazier or Ali ducked a second bout with Foreman. I can find tons or articles to boister these conclusions. But they are false! Never happened and it was not the prevailing thought of the times in any way shape or form.

Why is not Greb stated as the leading contender or 2nd or 3rd or 4th in that article written a few months after he beat Gibbons in 1922? Why? He was looked upon as not a real test for the hwt champion. Greb was looked upon as a middleweight not a real contender for The hwt championship.

 

Interesting you mention Fleischer. I have many books of his including 50 years at ringside and he praises Greb as great fighter and a great middleweight. Not one single mention about Greb being a leading challenger for Dempseys crown. Not one.

 

Love it... Klompton owned AGAIN and AGAIN...... keep it up mate.

 

Oh you now think Perry is a dipshat too.... This guy is killing you dude... you will have to do better than that you nitwit.

I think there is a case to say say that Greb was a greater fighter at middleweight than Dempsey was at heavyweight, I agree totally but I don't think he was near as exciting nor is he even in the same class as far as all round popularity goes... and to even think that Greb could actually beat Dempsey in the ring is insanity and don't you dare bring up a short distance fight to me... if Greb was gonna fight Dempsey it should be over TWENTY rounds... you know, the distance all of Darcy's fights were scheduled for... ten rounders and six rounders you think are real distances for champions to fight.... no wonder Perry owns you.

 

There were lots and lots of other sporting journalists who were as much respected as Edgren and who disagreed with him when picking a winner in bouts without official decision.

 

Why would he buy your book just to argue with a lightweight like you ????? he probably sees right through you like I have all these years, I haven't bought your book because of who you are....... I don't believe half of what you ever wrote here... nah I doubt Perry has read your book........ I also saw you had a dig at Doug Cavanaugh who has been your ally on many things and this is how you treat the guy.. I think I shall see if I can buy his book.

 

Carpentier wasn't scared of Greb... LOL he was the world light heavyweight champion and therefore he held all the cards...... this is your problem right here... you think whenever a fighter chases and wants to fight a champion the said champion has to accept ALL offers or he is somehow SCARED.... this man beat so many good fighters and was fighting the best guys when Greb was still running wet with yellow poo as a baby beginning his career... this guy scared ? who fought men when he was a kid just like Darcy, a man who fought from flyweight to heavyweight and held all sorts of titles on the way up through the weight divisions..... you must be either dumb or a liar to call any great boxer scared... what the fook has he got to be scared about ? surely not Greb's power... Georges had far more power than Harry....... him scared ??? he had severe injuries to both hands before he fought Dempsey yet went on with the fight...... not what looks like a man lacking courage..... YOU IDIOT.... Carpentier faced live fire from the Germans during the war he actually put his life at risk more than any fighter from the era and you DARE to call him scared... I hope you get beat up from some French girl one day for that. You are literally saying that Greb is scarier than artillery fire and machine guns and Germans.... grow up son you really are looking like a nutter now.

 

https://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/60010437/?terms=greb+has+no+desire+to+fight

 

You know, if all the personal shyte was cut out, this would be a really good thread :smoke

 

Then why did Carp turn down a massive purse to face Greb, and instead fight the unheralded Battling Siki (whom Carp's people nevertheless felt they had to bribe to lose) for much less money?

 

Whatever the reason is and I don't know at this stage except to say fear had nothing to do with it, as I said this guy fought far more dangerous things than Greb... German artillery and bullets are a thousands times deadlier wouldn't you agree ??? Whatever it was in my opinion Carpentier should have retired at this stage and his poor performance against Siki proves me right but to his credit he preferred to go out on his shield like a real champ.

 

The most pointless thing of all is this is a matter beyond debate.

1) did Greb want to fight Dempsey? Yes.
2) did Dempsey instead fight people who Greb had beaten? Yes.

There is absolutely no defence. I think Dempsey would have won clearly but I'd rather be discussing the fight they had opposed to the fight they didn't.

 

Agree with this. They should have fought. I think Dempsey would have won a longer fight but lost a shorter; other hold different opinions on that.

 

It's not so much that the HW champ should fight the MW champ.

But when that MW champ beats 3 of his title challengers before he does, it makes you question why the HW champ didn't give the MW champ the fight he had so cesrly earnt.