Scenario to make this the GOAT HW era

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Try this on:

    Fury beats Wlad in rematch, Wlad retires. Joshua destroys Haye and Stiverne in title defenses, then fights Fury next year. Fury is considered the underdog, but puts on a boxing clinic and beats Joshua, gets all his old belts back.

    Meanwhile, Wilder beats Povetkin, and maintains his belt against Molina level opponents for another year and a half. The final unification match to leave an undisputed champ is scheduled for end of 2017, where Fury is a strong favorite, who says it will be his last fight, he will retire either way afterwards. Wilder pulls off a shock upset, becomes the first undisputed HW champ since Lewis, or even arguably Tyson.

    Fury follows through with his promise and retires. Wilder beats a few other top contenders, until in 2019, Joshua gets a mandatory. Joshua wins.

    2020, Fury unretires, beats Joshua in a much closer contest. Has Wilder back for a final match, and this time wins. Beats a couple more good contenders, including a young, hyped one, then retires. Joshua unifies, stays champ for a couple years, is then beaten by the young hyped contender Fury beat, who stays as a dominant champ for a few years.

    You could make a good case for Joshua, Wilder, and the unknown guy as top 15 ATG's, and a good case for Fury as GOAT in that scenario.

    Will it happen? Very unlikely. Could it or a similar scenario happen? Absolutely, in fact, something like this can be envisioned much more now than at any time since the 90's. Also, to be clear, Fury's identity as victor is secondary, it could easily be Joshua etc.

    I'm sure some will hate on this, saying nothing can ever compare to the old days. But my question to them is, if you don't want HW boxing to become as good, or at least near as good, as any time ever, why do you bother watching modern boxing at all? Wouldn't it be boring as hell to watch fights thinking "these guys suck, they can never compare to the old guys". Just watch reruns of old fights if that's how you feel. Personally, it may never materialize, but I love the possibility of this becoming a golden age that I get to witness first hand.
     
  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It has potential to be a great era.

    The players and pieces are all in place.

    But, the most important attribute for a great era, is great fights.

    You've got
    Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ortiz and then Haye, Povetkin, Browne and then you've got Chisora, Whyte, Pulev, Ustinov as third tier fighters who might not be elite, but could put on some firework displays between them. And then a load of other guys like Duhupas who seems like a tough sob.

    You've also got Wlad, depending on his performance in the rematch, he could do a Floyd Patterson and hang around for a few more years.

    The potential is definitely there.

    I for one am interested in the heavyweight scene now, more than say 1-2 years ago.
     
  3. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For me, Wilder, Joshua and even Fury are still too unproven at this point. If they turn out to be as good as the hype suggests then yeah, we're looking at a golden era of HW boxing.

    There are plenty of scenarios that could make this era great in terms of being competitive but they all include these 3 guys winning.

    Personally, I think that there's a good chance Wlad and Povetkin derail the two hype trains in the next few months though, I can also Joshua beaten if he picks too tough title defense.
     
  4. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with this sentiment. Too many people in boxing who just want to **** all over the newer generations of boxers and write about some nostalgic glory days of boxing which never really existed. I don't know why those guys watch boxing either, it's like they're just waiting for a sloppy boring match on the elite level like Fury-Wlad so they can **** on the current era some more.
     
  5. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    You forgot Joe parker.
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, the table is set for them if they turn out to be great to really highlight their greatness. If Wilder beats Povetkin, Fury Wlad again, and if Joshua beats, say, Haye and Parker, they will have basically set themselves apart from the other boxers of this era to the point where wins against each other could push them fairly high up on the ATG ranking.

    But then, Povetkin and Wlad could win, Joshua get derailed along the way, and then so much for our Golden era. It doesn't feel like this is going to be a pre Klitscko 2000's or non Holmes 80's, with a lot of non dominant champs trading belts, but it could certainly happen.

    The other thing that could happen is one of the three becoming the "Klitschko" and the others falling off. Maybe Povetkin beats Wilder and Haye beats AJ, and Fury easily picks up the pieces.
     
  7. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the only one who could become a Klitschko is Anthony Joshua. Wilder is already a bit old and every contender seems to be giving him at least some problems. I don't see him lasting into late 30s as the dominant unbeatable champ.

    Fury might be as good as the hype suggests but he seems to have some bipolar personality and mental issues, he already talked about retiring and so on. I don't see him having the sort of mental strength to motivate himself again and again while he's on top.

    Joshua is young enough to start a dominant era, he could even afford some losses at this stage. He also has a nation behind him and looks like a big draw already.

    One thing's for certain though, HW division will definitely be the most interesting in the next 2 years. Even if Povetkin and Klitschko win it sets up an epic match between Joshua and Klitschko.
     
  8. Loudon

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    But you class someone as sh*tting over this generation of fighters, even if they just happen to voice an opinion that this era doesn't seem to be as strong as previous ones.

    It's you who gets ultra defensive and then starts drawing up swimming and sprinting comparisons to deride their opinion.
     
  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Don't see this era of heavyweights as great in any way
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You've got to be kidding me?

    In your scenario:

    Fury beats Joshua, he loses to Wilder, then avenges the Wilder defeat as well as beating a few other contenders etc, and that would put him into contention to be the greatest HW of all time??
     
  11. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    70's era of HW's was the best for me followed by the 90's.

    There were some very skilled HW's who fought in those decades such as Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Holmes and later on guys like Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield.

    I don't know about this era but to be fair Joshua looks promising. He also looks robotic and I haven't seen him do much aside from a standard 1-2 combination. But he's got very good power and a good amateur background so hopefully he can galvanize the division.
     
  12. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    2 hype trains, wlad can't beat anyone except he could beat fury, that's how much I rate fury. Wlads completely gunshy, and fighting anyone other than fury in the real top 5 he gets demolished and quick
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We're going to have to wait and see.

    Everyone's d*ck is hard at the minute, but he may not turn out to be any better than what Frank Bruno was.

    I do agree that this current division is very exciting though. We've got some good fighters and some great characters.

    After years in the doldrums, it's finally sprung back to life.
     
  14. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where is Ortiz in your fantasy?! Though he'll probably be avoided by Wilder (and I'm actually one of the few guys who like Wilder), Joshua, and Fury... So not having him in your fantasy is probably an unfortunate reality :(
    After knocking out Jennings, he'll prob be knocking out cans until he gets old and then somebody may fight him, or they hope he gets injured.
     
  15. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And what happens if wlad beats fury, then beats ortiz and winner of povetkin vs wilder (povetkin) and finally beats Joshua? Then he would be the greatest heavy of all time. But there are to many ifs for every scenario. So just enjoy...