Ron Borges interview on Tyson.

It seems to be Ron, not Teddy Atlas.
Who is Ron ?

 

Tyson was a complete disgrace in the 2nd Holyfield fight. Most sensible people know that.
A blatant quit job, in the most dishonourable manner. And then the embarrassing whining after the fight - "how can I go home to my children with cuts on my face ?" :rofl ... and his sh!t 'manager" John Horne who had the audacity to say Holyfield was crying like a b!tch.
Even Don King was embarrassed and left speechless by Tyson's behaviour. Not a good day for heavyweight boxing.

 

Ron Borges, Boston Globe writer, one of the only writers to pick Holyfield in the 1st fight.

 

Makes me laugh this mythical 3rd round Tyson had in their second bout. Whatever he threw Holyfield came back with better. He had Tyson's number plain and simple.

 

Never understood why people think Tyson biting Holyfield was a quit job. It was a disgraceful act but he did not want to quit. He was having a good round and it's far more likely that he simply responded to Holyfields fouling.

 

I don't believe Tyson quit. I think he just went ghetto and literally tried to turn it into a street fight. I don't understand why headbutt Holyfield is placed on this pedestal by some. I also don't understand why Teddy Atlas is given the time of day as a trainer or an ****yst. But that's a different discussion.

 

Of course it was a quit job. Tyson intended to bite Holyfield that round and foul his way out of the fight.

 

This thread should tell us a lot about another thread Dempsey vs Tyson where mental states of both men are discussed.

 

I thought it was a quit job at the time, and I still do.
He didn't have a "good round". Technically you can argue he was, but mentally, no, since he was launching a 'vintage Tyson' type attack on Holyfield, and Evander was taking it nicely in his stride and looked to be in there for a long fight again.
Psychologically that was bad for Tyson.
There was no way Tyson was beating Holyfield.

Tyson had a tantrum because things weren't going his way.

 

What pedestal ?
He's placed above Tyson, because he beat the sh!t out of him. His career accomplishments are pretty impressive too. I think he gets placed where he belongs. I don't see any pedestal.

 

Ron Borges is an overweight sack of poo who was found guilty of plagiarism not too long ago. Not a man to be throwing the moral judgements around. As for Atlas, the man has lived for 30 years on the fact he once briefly knew a 13 year-old Mike Tyson.

 

I was a massive fan of Tyson’s at that time, I never anticipated a fight more than that rematch, to this day and was massively disappointed. I felt Tyson quit, I didn’t want to believe it but its staring you in the face. Lacklustre first round, signs of distress and not relishing the chance to get revenge, frustration tactics, forgetting gum shield in third round, repeatedly biting again after being warned, the going nuts after the fight came across as a playground fake act. It was just too much to defend and I felt Tyson spat his dummy out, I was more than gutted by what he did. Evander spooked him . After that it was over for Tyson being taken seriously as a fighter. Post prison Tyson was a sham act.

edit - to add, I cringe when Mike talks seriously about the bite these days, you can almost see in his eyes that he knows why he did it but he goes with the "I was insane" act. I guess being seen as nuts and a monster is preferable to getting another beat down in from of millions, he can admit shame and be disgusted with himself but would never admit he quit. I like Mike but he does choose the things he really speaks the "truth" about, well in my opinion anyway.

 

Tyson did quit, he wanted out. He tried to run into Holyfields head in the first fight and quit. Tyson was a bully but so was Holyfield to an extent, but Tyson no longer had the talent to back up his bravado and once he faced someone talented enough that wasnt effected he folded up.
That being said even during the mid 90's he was still far more talented than all the heavyweights and could have most likely competed better had he taken it more seriously, but he didnt want to fight anymore, and he never regained his form after prison.
Tyson really became more reliant on being a bully after the 80's. His performance against Spinks was pretty impressive, people in retrospect diminish it as much as they diminish him because of how easily he blew away Spinks, who many insiders felt would be able to be competitive with Tyson.