Ali's H2H ability

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    why didn't the height increase earlier genius? why wasn't the HW division full of beanpole lofties and Peter Crouchs dad?
     
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  2. andrewa1

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    If you were being objective you'd admit all the hard evidence is on this side.

    To ask yourself why they weren't around earlier, two points. If you track the Ring's top 10 rankings over the last 60 years, you can observe for yourself a fairly linear, steady uptick in height. They've been getting consistently bigger for a long time now.

    The reason for that is because of the expanding talent pool for boxing. The world population is growing and foreign countries are becoming more involved in professional boxing. Those are two huge, dynamic forces at work. Ali's era was basically the "Western" HW championship of the world. Nowadays it much more closely approximates the true "World". In a smaller talent pool, there are going to be fewer opportunities for SHW's to have sufficient skills to maximize their size. Hence, bums like Wepner can get to fringe contender status despite having no actual skills. They wouldn't be on the playing field today.
     
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  3. andrewa1

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    Look, maybe satan has clouded your judgment, but you clearly don't get it. The power he carried had many facets, of course, but that's beside the point. The point is he had that power, and Ali did not.

    Come back when you have rubbed your two brain cells together enough to carry on a rational conversation.
     
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  4. Pugilist_Spec

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    How about old, fat Foreman re-capturing the lineal title at the age of 45? If boxing kept evolving then by that reasoning even a prime Foreman would be completely helpless against the athletes 20 years later, especially since PEDs exploded into the world of boxing around the time he made his comeback.

    Yet Foreman not only competed at the top level, but he once again PROVED himself as the BEST fighter in a division stacked with younger, superior athletes. How is this possible? If Usain Bolt retired tomorrow and then came back 20 years later severely overweight, he wouldn't even qualify for the Olympics let alone break any records.

    Boxing is a sport unlike any other. It's a test of mental strength and skill first and foremost. That's why boxing along with other combat sports are the only ones that harbour athletes that look like doughboys and plumbers. You think Fury is some incredible, evolved athlete? Or is he just a big guy that knows how to box?

    It goes both ways. Ali never displayed some special vulnerability to a taller fighter, so unless you can prove he would be unable to deal with bigger heavies, you don't really have a point.
     
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  5. cslb

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    You believe in Satan?
     
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  6. Pugilist_Spec

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    Oh yeah I forgot. Boxing wasn't an international sport until 2005. Sorry man.
     
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  7. andrewa1

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    I'm glad you're recognizing me as a genius and asking me to impart my wisdom to you. The quicker you understand your own dire intellectual limitations and that you need more intelligent people to help you, the faster you will come around to learning things you may have thought beyond your depth.

    To answer your question, I only tracked back 60 years. For all I know if may have increased further back, but my own suspicions are that it did not (for reasons I'll get to in a minute) and that it would therefore not be worthwhile researching.

    Specifically, I began in the post WWII years. I figured the talent pool was likely severely diminished from the war and from the aftermath of the war, and that it was likely the nadir.

    My own guess is that the 1930's era probably featured hw's about as tall and heavy as the early Ali era. It was again probably a fairly linear progression from the beginnings of boxing up until that point, although WWI may have impacted it in a similar way.
     
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  8. andrewa1

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    No you idiot, I was mocking his screen name. Grow a brain.
     
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  9. cslb

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    What does Satan have to do with a double jab?
     
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    He even battered Superman: [url]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--GB0XjLnz--/18zq8vq6b90twjpg.jpg[/url]
     
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  12. andrewa1

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    Are you trolling or stupid? Serious question.
     
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  13. Pugilist_Spec

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    I'm not really in the mood for a lengthy debate right now.

    Let's just agree to disagree, like we always do. :good
     
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  14. HerolGee

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    ok
    early career - Powell 6.3, Lavaronte 6.4, Daniels 6.4, Banks 6.2, Sabedong 6.6, fleeman 6.2, robinson 6.2, esperti 6.3, siler6.6, hunsaker 6.2.
    That's 50% of his opposition were about same height or bigger than Ali.
    So you've been DESTROYED on your point that virtually none of them were his height.

    early title career -, Terrell 6.3, Williams6.3 , mildenberger6.1andhalf, that's 2 same height one bigger, out of 8. Thats 38% of them. NOT "ALMOST ALL were small" AT ALL like you claim, you been destroyed again.


    so.. you want yet another list to destroy you with?

    you have to domninate in some way to get a title.
    Of course being a kliturd you don't want to tell us vitali wasn't dominating...since he was rarely dominant.

    there! surprise! I was right.
    either way, byrd outskilled him, get over it.


    so Willard, Carnera, Baer and Braddock just under 6.3, Louis 6.2, and not far off demps was 6.1, scheling was 6.1.
    U are DESTROYED AGAIN.


    right so...most of the ATGS aren't SHWs. Kliturd self destructs once again.
     
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  15. cslb

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    Neither. The number 666 has nothing to do with Satan so I assume you are talking about the double jab.
     
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