IMO out of the 4 scoring categories, defense should rank #1, prioritized.

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Discuss.

    Defense
    Ring Generalship
    Clean Punching
    Effective Aggression

    IMO Defense should be the most important out of the 4 cats.
     
  2. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Effective aggression and clean punching by far. Its pro boxing. The hurt business.
     
  3. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    In my opinion none of them should be more focussed on than any of the others. We all know what direction this thread is being pushed so i will say Floyd never won many fights. He won 49 Boxing matches but the guy isnt a fighter he left his oponents outboxed and frustrated but not really beaten up. And i prefer to watch a fight.
     
  4. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    By that logic, imagine all fighters were to attempt to win fights via their defence- you would have no fights.

    The reason boxing is a noble art is because boxers strive mesh the four categories you mention with equal success. Should one significantly outweigh others, you have an unbalanced fighter who sacrifices his honour by running, holding and fouling for example...
     
  5. MVC!

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    Defense should be prioritized because defense is by far the most important aspect of a fight imo.
     
  6. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you hear pro judges talk about their way of scoring a fight it always comes down to clean punches landed. The object of the sport is to inflict damage with a punch and the other three criteria, effective aggression, defence and ring generalship are just ways of trying to land or evade a clean punch.
     
  7. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    Do you get paid for the copious amounts of subversive propaganda you spew effortlessly and religiously on this forum?

    Jokes aside :good ... I think you ought to rephrase the question. It is a stronger position to hold that defence is the most important aspect of a fight from a boxer's perspective. But from a scoring perspective (i.e. those elements which will shape the scope of a fight) defence ought not to take such an importance.
     
  8. MVC!

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    I disagree, from a scoring perspective, the guy who is able to take less punches should be awarded the round.

    This is how I score a fight

    Let's say a guy is able to avoid most shots in a round and get a couple of good ones in.

    But in the later stages of the round, he gets hurt badly with a shot, wobbly legged etc etc but survives the round.

    I will award the round to the guy who avoided the most shots in the round despite being BADLY BADLY hurt.
     
  9. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    No you dont.
     
  10. MVC!

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    This is exactly why I'm in proposition of removing the automatic 8-10 if a knockdown happens.

    Let's say you fight an extremely good round and winning literally for 2 mins and 59 seconds of it. Then you get knocked down and you automatically go 2 points into the hole.

    It's absurd.
     
  11. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    I suppose this depends on the definition of "extremely good round" but lets take an "extremely good round" as a good Mayweather round, for the purpose of example. I.e. potshotting, countering, evasiveness (including running). All skillful stuff.

    I would argue that a knockdown would supersede all of the above. Even if it were to happen in the dying moments of a round. You cannot allow the history to define the present in the context of a fight. Take Froch Taylor for example. The referee had to stop the fight regardless of previous proceedings for at that very moment it was deemed that Taylor was out on his feet.

    That same precedent dictates that a knockdown (leaving aside the subjectivity involved with how "hard" or "legitimate" that knockdown was) ought to supersede all previous notions of the victim of the said knockdown winning the round...
     
  12. Staminakills

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    Non of them should ever count (more) than the otheraw. All four are the judges scoring criteria.

    Saying that, the fact is still in all of sports, defense WINS championships. In boxing defense shouldn't count more, but it should be the most important..
     
  13. MVC!

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    I disagree, the entire round is 3 minutes long.

    How can something that happens for 5 seconds (Barring a KNOCKOUT) supercede everything that occurred before that moment? It shouldn't.

    That's why I've never liked the 10-8 rule with a knockdown.

    If you're completely dominating a round for let's say 2 and a half minutes and then you get hit on the chin and you go wobbly legged, you should still win the round because of what happened before then. Entire content that comprised the entire round should be taken into consideration, not just 1 event.

    When you get knocked out, you don't lose the round, you lose the entire fight. That's why there's no scoring of that round in a knockout.

    It's a different scenario altogether.
     
  14. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IF the defense is good enough it should stop the opponent landing clean effective shots.


    Landing clean effective shots is what we score on, it's boxing.
     
  15. MVC!

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    And that's why boxing scoring is very flawed, we need a system where it's just and fair for all fighters.

    Right now, clean punching takes precedence over everything else.

    Defense is very underappreciated.

    That's my point.

    Defense imo is the most important category because of how difficult it is utilize.