Ali's H2H ability

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nice to have someone who can maintain a more respectful and intelligent conversation.

    Nothing you say necessarily disagrees with what I say. I think Ali could compete against the best, would be a good contender today, and could beat some SHW's (like Browne). I just don't think he could beat the dominant SHW's, I think old ATG fighters with power like Louis would pose more of a stylistic threat.

    I don't think you agree there, but we'll have to agree to disagree:good
     
  2. Outstock

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    These dominant SHWs you speak of only amount to about 4 boxers. Bowe/Lewis/Wlad/Fury

    Only Lewis and Bowe are of any standing to compete with Ali .

    Wlad was out boxed and dropped by Williamson - a poor imitation Ali clone.

    The next time Wlad fought another fluid and light footed mover , he would get shut completely out.

    He simply has no case at all going for him.
     
  3. HerolGee

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    apart from him saying your views are absolutely laughable (and moreso), and not agreeing with them.

    u a comedian?
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So, once I take away all your arguments you're just left with "haha". Glad to wreck you so badly. And I can't wait to drop examples in future threads about how you helped prove my points for me. You've given me great comedic material for my routine:hey
     
  5. HerolGee

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    why you quoting a reply that is wholly and fully NOT made to counter your arguments in the slightest, as if its a reply to your arguments?

    why not just reply to the previous posts which DID have the arguments?haha indeed!
     
  6. andrewa1

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    Vitali is incomparably better than Bowe. Williamson had way more power than Ali. And Wlad fought plenty of fluid and light footed fighters, Chambers, Haye, Jennings, among other, and always won handily. You have no case going for you.
     
  7. andrewa1

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    Another epic fail from the Hturd. Again, I demolish your arguments, and all you have is obfuscation. Poor little Hturd.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    why u running away from me asking you to answer my arguments for the 4th time? u hedging your bets on me getting bored of asking in a few pages time?
     
  9. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Listen, Hturd, its amusing, but get real. I've shot down all your arguments. You stopped putting up real arguments, and instead just make obfuscating statements like above. Claiming I'm not answering arguments, then refusing to list said arguments. Its funny that I own you so badly that you do this each and every time, but its kinda sad too.
     
  10. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Make no mistake, though, I'll keep doing this. It's fun to highlight just how stupid you are. I've got some time, so when I need to quit today, I'll check back in in the morning and keep pointing out your massive stupidity.
     
  11. HerolGee

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    why on earth are you quoting yourself? this is your worst delaying tactic yet.

    just answer the arguments, surely that's less painful than answering your own posts -which makes you look like you have a screw lose.
     
  12. andrewa1

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    More obfuscation. Another epic fail from the Hturd. Also, I think the poll results are getting even better. People may be looking at your imbecility and changing their minds. Thanks again!
     
  13. Outstock

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    Oh, i see what you did there. Write off those harsh truths by essentially claiming that Vitali was better than Bowe and Williamson was better than Ali:nut

    And Chambers , Jennings and Haye were all flooted , slow movers. How it it possible to not see this. Or are you simply choosing not to see it?
     
  14. Loudon

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    We'll never agree Andrew, but I do really enjoy debating with you.

    In my opinion, a peak version of Muhammad would be a big favourite over any HW today.

    Apart from Fury, I think he'd break every other opponent mentally before the fight.

    We've just seen how Fury did a complete psyche job on Wlad. Wlad could have beaten Fury in Germany last year, and in my opinion, it was nothing to do with age why he didn't. It was all psychological. A lack of will. No aggression, no commitment. And why? Fury doesn't possess one punch stopping power like some HW's. It was Fury's supreme confidence that threw Wlad all out of sync. He's never come across anyone as confident as Fury before. It unsettled him.

    No disrespect to you, but to me it's laughable to suggest that Muhammad would be merely a contender today.

    Who would beat a peak version of him today?


    Wlad?

    Again, he wouldn't commit enough to get the win over Fury. Fury kept feinting him, and he just looked lost in there. We also saw in the Haye fight that when Haye was trapped against the ropes, Haye's upper body movement alone was enough to stop him from getting tagged with a huge shot. He's just too cautious. He's psychologically scarred from his early knockout defeats. A young version of Wlad was far more dangerous. How on earth would Wlad have coped with Muhammad's footwork? He'd be left looking ponderous. I also think Muhammad would have broken him mentally in the same way that Fury did.


    Wilder?

    I'd give him nothing more than a punchers chance. He's very crude at times and off balance. I don't rate him at all.


    Fury?

    Muhammad would have no respect for his power, and I think his speed would be far too much for Fury to handle. It would probably be the best press conference of all time though.


    Joshua?

    Far too early to even make a prediction. He looks great, but I actually think he's too big, and I think he'll have stamina issues in a long fight.


    I'm not saying Muhammad couldn't be beaten, after all it's HW boxing. But I honestly don't know who you could favour over him today.

    Apart from having huge power, he ticks every other box needed.


    :good
     
  15. andrewa1

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    "Harsh truths"? Chambers, Jennings, Haye slow movers? Lol, whatever, you're entitled to your beliefs, even if they are at odds with all evidence.