Where does Vitali rank all time

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    A lot of historians/commentators have him top 10 ATG([url]https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/vitali-remembered-hugely-underrated-time-great-144316989.html[/url]), but his legacy gets dramatically underrated on the blogs.

    I don't get it, personally.

    #8 All time in longest title reign
    Tied for #6 All time in consecutive successful title defenses
    #5 All time in combined successful title defenses
    #3 All time in combined time of reign
    #2 All time among retired champs in ko %
    #1 (unofficial but almost certainly) all time among retired champs in round percentage won

    His stats suggest a clear top 10 ATG. His obvious (and really only real) weakness is that he didn't beat clear ATG's, but neither did Sullivan, Dempsey, Patterson or Wlad, and if you take away shot opponents, neither did Holmes, Johnson or Tyson.

    I'd rate him above his brother (impressive wins over Peter and Sanders, and not losing as often or remotely as badly give him the edge), and about #8 as an ATG heavyweight.
     
  2. Lady Girl

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  4. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    My top 5 H2H:

    Fury
    Wladimir
    Joshua
    Lewis
    Vitali

    Soon to get involved:

    Adrian Granat
    Hughie Fury
     
  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This isn't H2H, its legacy. TBF, H2H can and should have some kind of influence on even legacy, but it shouldn't be the dominant feature.
     
  6. SmackDaBum

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    OK

    Lewis, Louis, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Wladimir, Marciano.

    Vitali.
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fair enough.
     
  8. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Between 18-28 makes sense to me. Hard to find 30 HWs who have a better overall record, longevity, dominance.
     
  9. Tyson379

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    Top 10

    Obliterated Lewis in his prime, never lost more than 2 rds in a fight, has one of the highest KO %'s in HW history, came off a 4 year layoff and became HW champion of the world, and has never touched the canvas.

    Easily top 5 IMO.
     
  10. latineg

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    obliterated Lewis in his prime???

    why you little :fire :fire
     
  11. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    h2h top 5, all time around the top 10 or 15 at worst.
     
  12. MAJR

    MAJR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he didn't. He had two clear rounds where he was on top, three close fought rounds which could have gone either way and one clear round he lost without question.

    He was the younger, hungrier and move driven fighter, he claimed to have been preparing to fight Lewis for more than a year, he came in far more motivated and hit Lewis with everything he had and the best he could managed was to wobble Lewis in the 2nd - he couldn't even knock Lewis off his feet.

    Lewis was lazy and complacent and hadn't been training properly since he beat Tyson, he hadn't fought in over a year, weighted in at a career heaviest, had been openly dismissive about both Klitschko's and didn't think either of them would be a challenge. He came in cold, poorly conditioned and handed the opening two round to Vitali on a silver platter, yet when the fight was finished he had destroyed Vitali's face to such an extent that it required sixty stitches to repair the damage.

    It was a close contest that was fought at a fast pace not usually seen in conflicts between super-heavyweights. Neither man was clearly the better fighter on the night as neither was able to dominate, but what it boiled down to in the end was that Vitali wasn't good enough to get the job done while Lewis was.
     
  13. madballster

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    Vitali was one of the best and most important 20-30 Heavyweights who ever lived. I think that's quite special and an insane achievement for a former kickboxer.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I guess it depends on your criteria.

    Based on statistics, Wlad would always be well ahead. But I like to rank people H2H.

    Whilst I could never really argue with anyone who had Wlad higher, I would always rank Vitali higher.

    It's a shame he couldn't have fought another 20 fights like Wlad.
     
  15. MVC!

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    Top 10? Are you guys out of your ****ing minds?

    I love Vitali but the man is probably 11-15.

    Resume doesn't have the depth of a top 10 spot.

    But that being said, had he been active from 2004>2008, he damn well could have gotten in. But he didn't, so no.

    He also never fought the best HW of his time and that goes for Wlad too.

    They are brothers and I don't expect them to but that hurts your legacy. Not being able to separate yourself h2h from the best fighter of your era will impact it somewhat, although it was no fault of their own.