Explain the claim that Errol Spence has poor defense, please.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :?

    I'm not seeing it. Algieri threw quite a few quick left hook counters as Spence was coming in and couldn't really touch down cleanly on Spence's head with any of them. Spence has very good (for his experience level in the pros) sense of distance, thinks a few moves ahead to anticipate counter-punches and has the proprioception to execute his attacks with enough 'back-end room' to allow for his reflexes to carry him into a safe position afterward, if not completely beyond range then on his way and with a glove raised & readied to block.

    ESJ has quick, educated feet and doesn't get the least bit wild in delivering his offense, and is always reasonably wary even when he gets someone hurt.

    So, could a hater explain the criticisms to me, please?
     
  2. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    some guy hit spence with good right hook once and these guys got rock hard 4 inch wood...as if no good/great defensive fighter has ever been hit with a bomb....
     
  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Not a poor defense by any means, good defense generally but sometimes let's a punch through that maybe he shouldn't, I definitely remember it happening in some earlier fights where where he's getting hit flush with single shots out of nowhere, just seemingly for being switched off.

    It's really a minor criticism and not some major flaw or anything like that.
     
  4. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cruz and Van Heerden both rocked him.

    Another hype job protected by Haymon matchmaking against feather fisters.
     
  5. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    He adopted the Ricky Hatton defensive style last night. Some Jack Johnson style grappling and mauling in there an all.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The Ghanaian dude, right? That's all they've got?

    There is no elite boxer in history for whom you can't find an unflattering bit or two of anecdotal evidence to prove some fallacious point about some attribute or another. In boxing we're looking for consistency above everything. Spence consistently displays, along with those attributes falling under "athletic talent" and not skill (that is, agility, power, and speed...though all three of those can be improved upon with refinement of technique and practice to an extent), a very synergistic balance of well-schooled defense and offense most of his time in the ring, to my eyes (and I've been watching him longer than most; I'm guessing a fair number of the haters didn't even watch his run in London 3½ years ago, just finding it fashionable to bash any member of that US team and to especially rip the ones that happen to be with Al Haymon. I don't like Haymon either, and that was a horribly disappointing Olympics for the American squad, but Spence was a bright spot on Team USA, is a bright spot on the Haymon roster, and like it or not is a legit talent on the rise)
     
  7. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think yall need to chill. He ko's paulie v2.0 and yall act like he's the second coming.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Who needs to chill? What outrageous claims have I made? That he doesn't have terrible, porous, KO-waiting-to-happen defense like his obsessive haters claim? I think maybe they are the ones that need to chill?
     
  9. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When hating rots the brain...
     
  10. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dude, chill. Ppl asking other to calm the anointing of Spence are not haters.



    lol, prime example.
     
  11. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    im fairly certain that spence can display top notch defensive skills should he choose to.....until he respects someone elses offensive skills and pop hes probably going to fight with an offensive mindset ...being open at times
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Did I say they were? No. Try and pay attention to what is going on around you. This particular thread is addressing those who specifically have made the claim that Spence has no (or very lacking and ready to be exposed at the highest level) defense. That is an unsubstantiated claim IMO and does qualify as just irrational hating and grasping at straws to serve one's agenda. Same with claiming he is harrowing a glass jaw with no, again, no compelling body of evidence to support that belief.

    If you don't see the difference between people claiming an emerging prospect/contender is a glass-jawed fraud with Swiss cheese defense (this being the set in response to whom I've made this very thread) and people who are merely saying "let's slow down on anointing him the next p4p star or anything" (which is a reasonable stance) I think maybe you're the one that needs to chill.
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You just wrote that and I quoted it. :nut
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Who has he faced that's incredibly accurate to truly test it?:think
     
  15. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    are you trying to say resume is important when evaluating a fighter?