GGG, one of my faves but you are free to call him a Duck Artist

It's a ****ing waste of time.
Trolling or not Ward and Lara are full of sh*t. Never pass up an opportunity to point that out

 

No official offer at 164? When Fat Dan reported it a million Youtube bloggers made videos talking about it like it was an offer. I never liked Fat Dan.

 

I'm 100% sure Lara is full of it. Still on the fence with Ward. He must be a good liar.:huh

 

Ramirez: WBO champ, big money fight, Mexican fans

Ward: No title, inactive, called out since 2012, is a natural 175 pounder, won't bring any money, is not reliable as opponent, huge possibility that the fight is postponed etc.


Mayweather: Biggest draw in boxing, PPV star, WBA, WBC super welterweight titles.

Canelo: Wants to fight for the Middleweight title, again, MIDDLEWEIGHT, at 155 pounds. People still defend him. It's the ****ing middleweight title. atsch

 

Tom Loeffler was talking to Rafael and said that GGG would fight Ward at 164, basically just to stick it to Ward.
I don't even think Ward had his first 170+lb tune up yet.
Of course the dumb Ward/Lara f@gs ran with it.
The only "offer" was from Ward's team and they didn't even wait a day to release the email and announce he was moving up to 175 after K2 laughed at that horse sh*t.
Agree to 50-50 split up front and let Ward fight 2 or 3 tune ups, then fight when GGG is worth more money.
Asking for the 50-50 split agreement up front and then releasing the email right before announcing that Ward is a LHW tells me all I need to know

 

Never heard Ward deny that he said he wasn't ready to fight GGG in that fighter's meeting. He likes to run his mouth about everything else.
The one time he was asked about it, after his last fight, he wants to change the subject :rofl
All that talking Ward did when he was taking ass kicking in court from Goossen. Said people were using his legal problems as an excuse to avoid him.
When HBO asked Ward if he was ready to fight GGG, all of a sudden he wants to use his legal troubles as an excuse like he accused everyone else of doing
After destroying Ward's "best win" Adonis Stevenson calls Ward out on camera, on HBO, when Ward was in the same building and Ward didn't say a f*cking word. Just stood there like a moron looking at the camera:rofl
He's 10lbs of sh*t in a 5lb bag

 

That's it? Oh, I'll be able to explain it easily to you then. You're not misinformed, you just don't have all the information. Im writing a research paper now, but I'll answer you after.

 

Good post.

On another note, so far Golovkin has ducked every single fighter in the world that isn't a middleweight. Loma, Rigo, Fury, Wilder....when will GGG stop all the ducking???

 

Everybody understand GGG is a fraud. There is a reason his PPV numbers aren't good.

The truth is we don't know how good GGG is or isn't. He refuses to test himself against elite fighters. But hey if that's what he want to do more power to him. He is only hurting his income and legacy. GGG probably will be one of those guys that leave boxing without having made anything close to what he could have made. And no one will even mention him when they speak of elite fighters.

 

Excellent thread

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:deal

 

Ramirez has the backing of the great Mexican fight fans but Canelo has been disowned by many of them hence the Pollo {chicken} moniker they've christened him with. Canelo is his own worst enemy he is ruining his own legacy a la Mayweather

 

Little G fans really never run out of excuses for their man.

 

What was their original claim from the beginning?

The original claim from the beginning has always been the same, even until now.

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Gennady Golovkin's primary focus is unifying the middleweight division. However, he's willing to fight anyone at 154 or 168 (and here's where people often get lost) as long as it makes logistical sense. Meaning: GGG will move up to 168 for a big money fight that'd be stupid to turn down. GGG will move down to 154 for a big money fight that'd be stupid to turn down. But if the 168lber or 154lber isn't a draw, then a middleweight contender that gets him closer to unifying will trump him.

Here's their stated position from

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Tom Loeffler: The priority for Gennady Golovkin is to fight at middleweight. There is a lot more to prove at middleweight. . . there are a lot of great names. If there is a big fight at 154 or 168, a compelling fight, that makes sense, he's willing to do that.

Gennady Golovkin: For Andre Ward, I need time, and he needs time for rehabilitation [of his] shoulder. I want this fight. I think it's good fight for us, for people. My focus right now middleweight.

Here's their stated position from

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Tom Loeffler: Right now, Gennady is focused on unifying the middleweight division. Before he said he would fight anyone from 154-168, but for him to move outside 160 pounds, there'd have to be a compelling fight (*cough* Floyd, Froch, Chavez Jr). . . . I think that whole thing was kind of blown out of proportion.

Gennady Golovkin: (translated interview from russian about Andre Ward) At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to fight. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses. . . If I say that I'm ready to box any middleweight and ready to rise to 168 for a big fight, then I am responsible for the words.

If you're talking agendas, the only "agenda" they have is building Gennady's brand at 160, unifying the division, and looking for their big PPV breakout fight. The only time something takes priority over the unifying is if they are offered a big, stupid money/exposure fight that'd be stupid to turn down, like a Floyd Mayweather, Canelo Alvarez, Carl Froch, Chavez Jr.

Due to Ward's contractual issues and long lay-off, and even before then unfortunately, he's just never been able to get his dues from the public. They've said multiple times, from the beginning as shown, that they're open for Ward but Ward has to build his name, has to do his part in making the fight big enough where Gennady feels it's worth going up the 8 lbs. They can't do all the work in building GGG's brand while Ward sits around figuring out what to do with his career.

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On the issue of the step-aside, remember how I said that the only time the unifying priority is trumped is when a big, stupid money fight that provides ridiculous exposure is offered? Well, that's why.

As Tom Loeffler has explained (numerously) to boxing media, the reason they took two step-asides was for strategical reasons to basically put Gennady in the position to, not ONLY unify, but get the big money/expsure fight too.

First step aside was to Cotto. Why? Cotto was a boxing star who was then in talks about facing the other boxing star Canelo. What would you do in GGG's situation? Tell Cotto, "Nope, you can't fight Canelo. Fight now or drop the belt?" First, let's keep in mind Cotto had already been telling media that he doesn't need a belt. So, pulling the mandatory card on Cotto when he's faced with the ultimatum fight GGG or lose belt and still fight Canelo, there'd be a 99% chance Cotto would drop the belt. Actually, a 100% chance considering he did end up dropping the belt before the fight due to other reasons (proving it wasn't that important to him). So, GGG's team allow the step aside so they still stay on path on having one of these huge stars mandated to fight him, and then just from a financial standpoint it's a MUCH bigger fight to face the Canelo/Cotto winner.

Second step aside is a similar ordeal. It was explained that they gave Canelo the step aside in allowing one voluntary defense to give the GGG/Canelo a greater chance of happening and give it some extra time to build in making it an even bigger fight. We don't know if Canelo will drop the belt after Khan, but we know that the possibility of him dropping it after Cotto would've been much greater than him dropping it after Khan since they get a chance to milk the title.

Let's me also add that GGG's management has said they will no longer allow a step-aside. That those two were for very specific reasons in allowing the fight to become bigger and make it more possible in happening, but after May 7th, it's done. There's no sense in allowing it to go on any further.

If they do give another step aside after saying THAT^ then fans will be right for the first time in regards to a contradictory statement from GGG's team, and I'll admit it.

See! Easy explained! You just have to keep up with the actual sources and not get caught up in all the surrounding white noise. Fans and their assumptions/opinions fog up the truth of the matter, but the answer is pretty cut and dry and makes perfect sense for those who pay attention to what has been said from GGG's debut until now.