Marciano v Kovalev

You said Ali was not down in his prime. BUNK.

Walcott had a better-timed hook / counter punching, and Moore a much better right hand in comparison to Frazier.

Fraizer likely a little harder than either Walcott or Moore.

I'd say Moore and Walcott hit harder than Henry Cooper, who had Ali down and dazed.

 

Just damage control as usual. Banks was only 21 for the fight too. And his AM experience was far less than Ali's.

Bottom line: Ali was hurt or floored by left hooks at various stages of his career, and he also had trouble with good jabbers at various stages of his career despite being the bigger man in all cases.

You like to point out how small Rocky's title opponents were when in fact Cooper and Banks who floored Ali were about the same size as Walcott and Charles.

 

I completely disagree with you here. I guess we are watching two different fighters because when I look at Kovalev I see all kinds of weird unorthodox moves. His awkwardness reminds me of Michael Spinks the way he strings combinations together. Kovalev does not always lead with his jab, but when he does he can double or triple it, he can stab it to the body and knock people out with jabs to the body, or he can lead with right crosses and f*ck people up that way. He can counter people's jabs with counter right hands, he can throw check left hooks, he can do it all really.

Disagree. Rocky would have to dig deep IMO to beat Kovalev and I definitely think Kovalev would be a live dog.

Stevenson clearly doesn't believe that he would be an issue for Kovalev otherwise he would have stuck with HBO and that fight would've happened already.

 

You got to be kidding me. Spinks was like a wild terrier. Hard to read and totally unpredictable.
Kovalev is one of the most straight forward fighters in the sport today.
There's nothing unorthodox about his style at all.

He wouldn't be difficult to out box or figure out were it not for his power. Spinks would tear him a new A - hole.
Juergan Brahmear is more unorthodox than The Krusher.

Kovalev never faced anybody who was a quarter of the fighter Marciano was. Its based on nothing.

 

disagreed

 

Your words.

This is false, as Ali was dropped by Frazier in 1971 when he was 29 years old. MORON. Hence, Ali was dropped in his prime.

You did not clarify that you were talking about the Banks fight only, if you did, you'd have better sense to say Ali was not in his prime for the Banks fight only but was dropped a few times after that. You did not do that until called out.

Make any sense?

Ali had a much better and deeper amateur career in comparison to Banks, so Ali had the experience edge in that fight even if both were young.

 

I'm pointing out how terrible this style of arguing that you sucked me into is.


We each get 1000 point to go tit for tat against each other. We're just pulling them from the air and spewing them out.

"Walcott knocked Louis down, hardly a feat."

Unless you're Muhammad Ali, you have no right to say that.

 

I just hate see people talking trash about boxing legends.

How do I argue with someone who thinks flooring a reigning Louis is hardly a feat?

 

Interesting, because looking over this debate, you seem to be willing to downplay other ATG's but strangely, after various contortion filled rationalizations, Ali seems impervious to the rationale you use against them. I think that's called blind fanboyism.