Marciano deserves a lot of respect

No moron, its obvious you don't know boxing, or rationality.

And Terrell often was lighter than Ali. The point is, he didn't have a weight advantage (they were a half pound apart). Ali NEVER faced a REAL contender who was both notably taller and heavier than him. Dire paucity of evidence that he could cope with SHW's, unlike Louis.

And yes, top 30 does make you an ATG.

 

I boxed for nearly2 decades,began reading about it over 50 years ago ,and collecting fight films in the 60's.
What are your credentials?
You stated that Ali was heavier than Terrell. Here is your statement.
Terrell was the only contender he fought who was taller, and Terrell was lighter. "
Not only are you ignorant of the facts, you haven't the b*lls to admit you are wrong.
Disappear doughnut you're boring.

 

When you put it that way it makes more sense to me, Tua must have hit harder than Walcott but in talent Joe is far ahead, his ability to land punches and combinations is a different level, Tua could really thump, like Rocky but I don't think many heavyweights would like to eat too many of Walcott's left hook either, Joe may not hit as hard as Tua but he still could hurt guys bad with that hook.

 

OK for a start Ali was tall wasn't he, 6 foot 3 at least so there are not a lot of fighters with a real marked height advantage even a Klitschko is only 3 or 4 inches taller and look at the speed difference, Ali would have had both pf them looking bad hardly knowing where all those punches are coming from... and Ali fought many guys who were big and hit harder than Klitschkos... Liston, Foreman Shavers and many others most who hit harder than the Ukrainians,

I agree though that to be top 30 all time in any major weight division makes them an ATG.... some fools think there are just a few dozen ATG's....... they are clueless.

Yes and McVey was a fighter, had a long career, fought huts like Joe Jeanette even. He was one of the hardest punchers of all time so listen to McVey... he's been around.... for a very long time.

 

Walcott was of a superior class to Tua. H2H,Tua could get lucky.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Absolutely superior, it was what I was trying to say but was trying diplomacy.

 

Of his first 19 fights, 8 of Ali's opponents were heavier.and 5 were taller.
Who is more proven against quality men over 200lbs Ali,or Marciano?


Ali:
Liston
Foreman
Lyle
Bugner
Norton
Shavers
Terrell
Young
Frazier
Foster
Bonavena
Spinks2

Marciano:
C*ckell
Louis? Better count him as there's no one else.:think


On the basis of this hard evidence ,why would anyone believe that Marciano's style compares more favourably with today's super heavies than Ali's does?

Great is the most overused adjective when discussing and evaluating fighters.I am very parsimonius with it.

 

Yes, the mighty Duke Sabedong was MUCH larger than Ali. You are missing the point entirely. Sabedong, and the others who were notably larger were NOT contenders, not even fringe contenders. Everyone you list above for Ali were either smaller or approximately the same size as Ali. The whole point is that Ali is COMPLETELY unproven against GOOD fighters who are notably larger than him.

Marciano fought small fighters, true. IMO, he'd be MUCH too small for today's HW. But, he at least has a track record of beating larger HW's. However small they were, they were usually larger than him. His style was virtually predicated on being the smaller man. With a swarmer power guy, you need size less than Ali's style.

If you can't see that, you just aren't being objective.

 

I don't care about whether you've boxed, I've sparred and trained, never fought amateur or pro. I care about your ability to reason, discern and evaluate, which is clearly nonexistent. You are good at whining about a secondary point to try to distract from your basic failings. Was Terrell often lighter than Ali? Yes. Was he that night? No, a half pounder lighter. If that's the best you have (it is) just run away crying. The point is Ali was only at a height disadvantage, not a weight disadvantage. He was NEVER at both a substantial height and weight disadvantage against a real contender.

 

Irrelevant,irrational and ultimately idiotic.
ps I don't, care about you in any way, shape, or form ,in fact I've already forgotten you .:hi:

 

:think Compelling argument, you really countered my facts there. I'm sorry you're too brain dead to appreciate them, but thanks for the effort:hi:

 

a Pit bull is an example of speed and fast attack, Marciano was slow like **** for his size,Tyson is a better comparison to the Pitbull breed.
Marciano had great stamina like the pit bull breed but that's all

 

Rock is a fantastic p4p talent.

People insist on matching him against men who are 40 pounds heavier whilst refusing to let him add any weight.

The reality is he would probably start off as a LHW today, enjoy a successful CW reign and have 1 or 2 fights at HW against the right opponent.

The only man who could beat him realistically is Usyk who might go down as an ATG himself.

If Usyk ends up taking the championship at HW it will change a lot of perspectives imo.