In order for someone like pac to ever compete with srr or Henry Armstrong as a goat

You're a stat guy like so many others on here.

It's just pure ignorance to think that the fighters of the past with losing records were no hopers.

 

Why wouldn't it be possible for Ray to have beaten Manny or Floyd?

What's the thinking behind this?

 

Any knowledgeable fan of boxing would know the following things:

There's fighters of today who would have been able to have beaten fighters from decades ago.

There's fighters from decades ago who would have been able to have beaten fighters of today.

Boxing does not progress each decade in the same way that some other sports have.

 

They wouldn't have fought him. Simple as that.

 

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Boxrec is useful. But don't ever use it to gauge someone's worth without knowing anything about them.

Statistics don't allow for circumstances.

If you had a time machine and you dropped Floyd Mayweather off in the 40's for a 10-15 year period, it'd be highly unlikely that he'd still have been unbeaten when you'd picked him back up.

 

He would have to stop going life and death with JMM for 4 fights.:deal

 

It works both ways.

The fighters of yesteryear did not have the advantages of sports science and luxury training facilities and equipment. But they had better competition, more fights, and ATG trainers to learn from etc.

There is no logical reason why Ray Robinson couldn't clear out today's WW division if you transported him in a time machine.

Sports science has nothing to do with a fighters skilset.

 

Pac beat a washed up Mosley.

 

Its pretty simple NO one can compare the ATGs of yesteryear to todays. And what I said stands.
People seem to think that a SRR from what they know and have seen would beat the WW ATG of today. Its not possible, they are basing it off the past. The now, if he had been born 1990 who knows? No ONE
But again what they are basing it on is PAST and the changes in the sport have pushed it to a different level.
If you were talking 20 or so years ago then maybe but we are talking DECADES more.
And you want to know what the worst part is, you cant prove I'm wrong.

 

Thats opinion and like I said impossible to prove. So people talking about it wont get anywhere.
Facts are that through history records are broken and this happens mostly because of science.
I am not suggesting SRR is ranked anywhere other than at the top of the tree. But if you or anyone else here is trying to tell me a fighter with a few weeks training, and such his opponent. Are as elite as they are today with way more rest and training you are having a laugh.

 

I respect Pac and most foreign fighters compared to American fighters because they have to fight mostly away from home. Americans mostly always fight at home. I don't care what anyone says, statistics prove in most sports that being home or away matters.