Harry Greb Confident He Can Beat Dempsey

Are you naturally clueless or do you practice at being clueless by coming on here?

FYI Harry Wills was known to a dirty fighter, that's not new. Hitting on break was just one of his tricks, using his shoulders another. Do yourself a favor as that grate pysstorian, aka Ktoo, aka lord tywin aka crock, would tell you do some dedicated research
and you too can come up with 40-50 articles cherry picked by you supporting your POV.

 

LOU HOUSEMAN'S GOSSIP
The Saint Paul globe., December 30, 1900
CAUSTIC CRITICISM OF SOME MEN HE REFERS TO AS CHARACTER ASSASSINS
DEDUCTIONS FROM JOE VILA
Why Shouldn’t McGovern Whip Gans After The Way In Which He Defeated Frank Erne?
CHICAGO, Dec, 29.—(Special).—The
spectacle of Kid Broad side-stepping Art Simms on the weight question is a delectable one. Spaniard Maclas puts up the claim that Broad can make anything from 122 to 126 pounds ringside. Maclas knows this claim to be false, and he knows it so well that there is no chance of Broad ever making anything below the top weigth that he conveniently makes that the get-away attitude for the dogfaced one from Cleveland. If Macias thinks that Broad ran and will make 122 pounds ringside, the backer and manager Of Harry Harris will match the Chicago boy against Broad at this figure and bet him $1,000 that Harris wins.
Broad is simply dodging a meeting with Simms. He fears that the Akron boy is a bit too tough for his man. Simms
is in Broad's class as to weight, for both of them are of that hybrid class which makes them too heavy for the
featherweight, and too light for the lightweight divisions. Two years ago Broad was fighting at 126 pounds, and it
is known that he has not grown any lighter since then. Broad is parading about the country on the strength of
having taken a terrific beating at the hands of Terry McGovern. This is his whole stock in trade.

The latest pugilistic rot from the East is that Frank Erne laid down to Terry McGovern in the Madison Square Garden handicap match. Erne has always borne an excellent reputation, and this latest assault of the scandal monger is at once brutal and vicious. The average pugilistic oracle, now eking out a precarious livelihood in jotting down his "Impressions" for the gullible readers
of his sheet, occupies about the same relative position to the ring that the turf writer, who, failing to pick up a $2
bet made on a horse, sees nothing but a job in the race unless his particular horse happens to win. . "When a job does crop up, however, he is more apt to overlook it in the ring than anyone else. His morbid mentality warped and all askew at best, is ever ready to cry "fake" as the safest way out of it. Erne laid down, forsooth! If ever a man was honorably and decisively beaten it was Frank Erne. And I know it to be a positive fact that Bob Smith, Erne's friend and manager, lost over $5,000 on the battle. For shame, you character assassins!
Is there anything you can torture your 'befuddled and foul minds into accepting as honorable and fair? Has the boxing game been unkind to you? Have the fighters and the fight managers failed to purchase your pens into a quiescent stage? Is it impossible to get an honest opinion of a fight or a horse race now-a-days, save through the penny and pound channel? A year ago this week a certain New York writer on pugilism sent word to Tommy Ryan that it was Christmas time, and "I need a little something." Ryan ignored the note, which he now holds, and since that time the Syracuse boxer has been jumped
upon at every move he made. This is the manner of journalism which is dragging the game down to the level in which it is now wallowing. And the case cited, ls one in a thousand. The continued abuse at the hands of the vitriol throwing cowards is having its beneficial effects however. The power of swaying public opinion is being gradually lessened, and the fight-followers are beginning to think for themselves.
* * *
Here is a really national series of deductions from Joe Vila on the McGovern-Gans fight. The difference between
Vila and the writers who have been howling themselves ho****, figuratively, In their fake" squeakings is that Vila receives dollars where the others receive
dimes as fight critics.
"While the cry of 'fake' anent the McGovern-Gans fight will not down, there are several arguments offered to show that Terry 'won on the square.' In the first place the 'dope' if we can drag it in here, would seem to indicate that Gans was whipped fairly. "When McGovern knocked spots out of Frank Erne in three rounds in the Madison Square Garden, last summer it was the prevailing opinion that even had Erne weighed in at 133 pounds instead of 128 ringside, McGovern would have stopped him just as easily. Nobody ever questioned Erne's gameness. He had a grueling career in the featherweight class, and
took more punishment than anybody else. As a puncher Erne was recognized as a good one, and competent judges have often declared him to be the best boxer in the ring, bar nobody. Still Erne was a mark for McGovern, who got to him so fast that the lightweight champion
didn't know how to fight, and was whalloped all over the ring. Terry's blows were terrific—in fact they were as powerful as those of a good middleweight, and they were accurately delivered too. "When the fight was over McGovern was pronounced the pugilistic phenom of the age. Then, why shouldn't McGovern whip Gans as easily as he did Erne?
When Gans met Erne here at the BroadWay club he proved himself to be a quittor. He had the fight on the points up to the time that Erne accidentally butted
him over the eye and drew blood. The crack was so hard that Gans thought he saw his eye on the floor, and quit like a cur. Other men have received worse knocks than that and continued with success, but Gans had the yellow in him and simply wouldn't go on. Gans never classed with Erne as a fighter, though he has shown equal cleverness with him, and at one time was regarded as an
aspirant for lightweight honors. But he was knocked dead once by the lumbering McFadden, who could beat him again in a finish light.
Hawkins had Gans groggy on the night of Aug. 31, but that time Gans didn't show the yellow, but went in for
a slugging bee, and won. Gans’ showIng then was a complete surprise to these who were convinced that he was a cur, and promptly the stories began to" circulate that he had purposely stopped with Erne in order to allow his manager, Herford, to carry out a weli-laid scheme to
get the money. There was a tip out here the day of the recent mill that Gans would be knocked out. It was circulated by George Considine, and all of the wise ones got aboard. But Considine is a pretty good judge of fighters, and gave out the tip, based upon his ideas
of what McGovern would readily do to Gans.
"John L Sullivan told me that McGovern could win on his merits inside of the limit, and he now declares the cry
of "fake" to be an injustice to the wonderful little Brooklyn fighter."

—L. M. Houseman.

 

FYI, Joe Vila, was expert in baseball and for many years was the baseball guy. He is the one who accused Dempsey of cowardice cos he wouldn't face Wills.
See some of these guys were "vitriol throwing cowards", like some on here.
LEARN TO THINK FOR YOURSELF

 

Burt, these are the pysstorians who seem to be jealous that Dempsey is an icon and the two Harry's will forever be an asterick, a pimple on Dempsey's behind, or an after thought.
Greb, was an arm punching guy who had speed and tremendous ba lls, whose great secret was not letting the other guy set himself, and who bounced around the ring, throwing a million arm punches.
Neither of the two Harry's had a classic style, you couldn't say what a great jab, or the combinations they threw. IMO coupling Wills with Greb, does a great disservice to Greb. Wills was just not that good. He was open for everything. The pysstorians who study articles know zilch about boxing, There is enough clips out there of the two Harry's so that you can form an opinion as to how they fought. But pysstorians know better, they have articles, and call you a moron if you disagree with them. Don't let these pysstorians tell you how to think. Here is a point they, try to make constantly, the ducking issue, just cos there is an article that says, so n so promoter offered Dempsey 100,000 + 35-50% of the gate, makes it an offer they would consider or accept it was up to Kearns and Dempsey to accept or reject or even to consider. If Dempsey for whatever reason doesnt accept, The pysstorians come up with hundreds of articles its cos Dempsey is afraid, Rickard doesnt want to lose his cash cow, Dempsey is ducking.

 

Yes I thought the same about rational/ national but I went with national cos that’s what was printed.
About Vila saying Dempsey was showing cowardice, that’s a bit much. Vila must’ve been a poor judge of boxing talent. Wills was just not that much, even Fleischer who should have known better had a dig at Dempsey, later revised his opinion.
This is why I posted that article:
“This is the manner of journalism which is dragging the game down to the level in which it is now wallowing. And the case cited, ls one in a thousand. The continued abuse at the hands of the vitriol throwing cowards is having its beneficial effects however. The power of swaying public opinion is being gradually lessened, and the fight-followers are beginning to think for themselves.
Of course he had an agenda, but what he wrote is basically the truth.
A person who relies on articles alone is just parroting what a writer wrote whether they had an agenda or not.

 

Perfect example of a writer's opinion and guessing not a fact. He did fight Tunney and for more than 150,000.

About Vila, I questioned his comment on Dempsey, is that wrong? That article I posted addressed more than just Vila. Tell me the points I highlighted were not true. Is it wrong that I question and reply to a post? Am I supposed to agree to everything? A forum should be open to opposing views.
Look you know articles can be slanted to portray whatever is bought and paid for. Tell me where I am arguing in bad faith. IDK if you agree but some of these posts are just wrong, like somebody making fun of somebody who has cancer, why doesnt somebody say something, I, for one don't like bullies and thats what some here do.
Again I am not attacking you personally, I am questioning your comments and I reply to them specifically, in what I hope is a respectful way.
Perry at least stands up for what he believes.

 

Fighters do have off nights just like anybody else what matters is what he did before and after the Brennan fight. Tunney beating him up didn't damage his reputation. Even him not fighting the two Harry's doesnt hurt his reputation, overall just the few who post here and they only have articles as proof of what they are saying.
There are many articles that state Dempsey was offered this fight by this promoter for this amount of $. Does that mean that Dempsey was ducking, Willard II, Carp II, those English guys, no it doesnt. So why does it prove that Dempsey was ducking the two Harry's. The fact is that whether Dempsey was afraid of looking bad, afraid, ducking, he had every right to pick and choose who he was going to fight or not. A Dempsey contract proposing a fight with Wills, should explain all:
“Because everyone at the time in 1922 laughed at the contract Dempsey signed which essentially said
"I, Jack Dempsey, agree to fight Harry Wills for an amount of money TBA,
There’s nothing wrong with that afterall he was the champion. He wants to get paid, was he supposed to put down what he wanted to get paid?
at a time TBA,
at a place TBA,
Standard the promoter picks the time and place
for a promoter TBA
so far everything is standard
if I decide the offer is fair and if I decide the promoter is reputable."
If you knew boxing as a business everything here is standard.
Dempsey had a right to do this, there’s nothing wrong here.
What was laid out, if this proposed contract is real, Dempsey went out his way, but it lays out how they want business done.
But posters come on here and post these things like they are the smoking gun.