How many more losses would Lennox Lewis have if he fought these 5 fighters?

well for evander lennox won the first anyway, so a win would be about right 2 years earlier too.

lennox beate ike, who never proved himself elite.

corrie sanders didn't even get a title shot in lennox's era, and would get paved out early even if he was gifted a shot after failing to land one on numerous occasions.

mike Tyson post prison was a busted flush, he still had some gifts but the mind wasn't there and loses to lennox. pre prison Tyson might well be different though.

prime vitali proved he couldn't miss with even faded elites in the first fight, lennox wins again.


pretty much a full house of wins, aside from a lucky punch from Tyson, the only one with really dangerous speed and power at elite level.

 

I think Mendoza is right, he would have had a couple more losses. Lennox is a great but his career was also managed perfectly.

 

Not necessarily.

 

I disagree. He would lose none or perhaps one. None of these matches are unmanageable. People who focus only on the 2nd outcome of the Holyfield 2 fight contest, rather than both of them, clearly have an agenda considering that the first fight should have been about 9-3 for Lewis. Lewis isn't Wlad and Sander's isn't going to beat him. Tyson post prison was an illusion, so much so I actual picked Holyfield to beat him when they fought. Ike might give him problems but who knows, both could crack, but Lewis is the much better boxer and has the size advantage. Both fought Tua and Lewis pitched a shut out where as Ike was in a life and death fight with him. Vitali rematch would be the toughest fight of the bunch, but I also think by the 6th round, Lewis' game plan was working pretty good and a rematch would have seen Lewis come out the gate much quicker than was the case in their first fight, but if he's going to lose a fight, this one would probably be it.

 

I think if he rematched Vitali, he might have actually TRAINED the second time around.

 

And left him blinded as well.

 

None of the above named would beat Lewis.

He beat 3 of the above mentioned anyway, so a couple of years earlier would not have made much of q difference.

Was the Holyfield of 97 any different to the one of 99?

Tyson has a chance early but would gas after about 5 rounds, something which pretty much happened when they actually fought.

I cant see how Vitali would fare any better vs a much better trained and fully focused Lewis.

Sanders is not as good as people try to make him out to be, there's a reason why Lewis fought Rahman in South Africa and not Sanders. And that reason is called Hasim Rahman.

 

lewis had about 15-20 fights at or near the level of these named boxers, and lost 2 of them, which were avenged ASAP (ie wins as well).

2 in 20 means 1 in 10 could well be a loss.

which works out as less than 0.1 x 4 fights in this case = 0.4 fights.

I say 4 fights not five, because one offered here in the OP is vs prime vitali, and old lewis destroyed him, so why you'd want to claim that could be a win is anyone guess. Its not going to happen.

So theres a 40% chance he picks up JUST one loss in these five fights, which falls to 25% for 2 losses to occur. and 100%b likely he crushes that one loss (should it occur against the odds) in the return.


Therefre anyone picking for more than one fight to be a loss is lying to themselves, and even one fight isn't likely to be a loss, just 40% likely at best (realistically even less, since you'd need to include more opposition from lewis resume to calculate your % if you are going to include a lowest level like old corrie)

 

If I had to handicap it I would set the line between 1 and 2.

 

Lewis had a lot of fights that were considered more dangerous than McCall and Rahman and didn't lose any of them.

Let's not overlook that Lewis himself was 34+ when he fought Tyson and Holy. A younger version of Lewis would also be more dangerous to them.

 

So basically all you have in the second paragraph was that he was losing before he won... gotta love that argument.

And out of the 24 rounds fought between Holyfield and Lewis I have the first fight at 9-3 and the second at 8-4 but even if it's a 7-5 round fight that's still 16-8 in rounds in favour of Lewis. So it's pretty hard to justify a change in the outcome a couple of years earlier.

And the Rahman fight was Lewis' own fault for not be acclimatized to the elevation of South Africa, one has to assume that this was a one off event by a guy who thought he was a movie star rather than a boxer.