Harry Greb Confident He Can Beat Dempsey

Aka, where do you get that Tunney beat Greb? Aka, how do you come to that conclusion? Aka, how do you take five out of seven decisions saying Tunney DID NOT win and come back with "Tunney beat Greb good and solid?" Aka, get back to me when you improve your reading comprehension.

 

I agree with most of that but this article written in 1924 clearly was concerned with the fact that Grab wanted to fight Tunney and they do acknowledge that Tunney is too strong and too big for him, not Gene's fault that Harry didn't agree. Their 5 fight series wasn't split, Greb won the first Tunney is given the 2nd and 3rd... the 4th is credited as a draw which Tunney had the edge.... it was only a ND 10 rounder though and by the last round it seems Harry is getting wobbled and the bell rang just in time...... Greb may have lasted another 5 rounds but was almost knocked down just before the fight ended. The draw is not official... the 5th was won by Tunney...... the ND fights do not count officially....it is just us and the old timers who claim wins one way or the other. In the end these losses can't be held against Greb but on the other side of the coin the loss Tunney is credited does not count against him as he was making a huge step up in class for that, his best opponent before that off the top of my head was Leo Houk... Houk was no Greb, far from it.

 

And then Greb BEAT Tunney later that year...


Houck is a hall of fame fighter with better wins to his name than Les Darcy and to his credit he didn't turn his tail and run at the first sight of Mike Gibbons. Houck would have taken Darcy to school and made him cry for Harald Baker to come to his rescue like he did against Jeff Smith. "Please daddy, please come save me from the big bad American. His body punches hurt too much." LOL. Poor wittle wes darcy :tong

 

Greb 5'8. 165 pounds. He states he would be 163 pounds if he were to step in the ring with the worlds hwt champion. One of boxings hardest punchers.

Someone would have gone to the hospital.

Where were the megabuck offers to fight Greb? There was a reason why the offers to fight Carpentier, Firpo and Tunney far outpaced what was being offered to fight Greb. Much fewer fight fans wanted to pay to see a middleweight fight the worlds hwt champion. Very hard fight to sell.

 

Come on Bert, you have to give Les Darcy some credit. His legacy of tackling larger fighters is every bit as great as Greb's after all Harold "who" Hardwicke was no slouch. He sported the amazing record of 4 wins, 5 losses, scoring a single KO in his career and suffering three. However, what is not known is that he as the inventor of the Delayed Reaction Punch. A punch so deadly that it killed Les Darcy a whopping 14 months after he had actually "lost" to Les Darcy. Incredible. Now, I ask you: If you fight a guy and lose the fight but the opponent dies as a result and you live to the ripe old age of 70 did you really lose? Its a rather interesting philosophical question and I think Hardwick's record should have another "W" on it.

 

It is probably easier to just ask the question to those who know here, rather than spend hours looking for the answer.

But, at the time of the proposed Greb Dempsey there was still No Decision fights in most states? Of these offers that are being made, are they all in states that provide for a decision?

I know Dempsey Ironically ended up losing the title to Tunney by a decision, but realistically, Greb was not going to KO Dempsey and as such would not be a chance (on prior form) unless the decision was in a state which allowed a decision to be rendered.

Perhaps this could be why Greb's victims got the shots. They had far better KO records and therefore proved a better chance at wresting the title in an ND match?