No Decision bouts fiascos

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by gregluland, Sep 10, 2015.


  1. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes I would suggest there were far more that should be rendered as draws than what Boxrec has given.. these fights that were 60-40 are certainly too close for anyone years later to declare a W. Certainly there were fights that were one sided and if they were then the newspaper articles should reflect that and all should be in agreement.

    We have this mania in the modern world to hate the idea of a draw but quite often it is the fairest result. What is wrong with a draw ? it's fair enough isn't it ? especially when one side will highly dispute what the newspapers decide, a boxer who knows he is well and truly beaten usually admits it but if it's close, then they often carry that resentment for life... ala Hagler.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    There should be more draws given in boxing, I agree with that.

    A man being outclassed and a man debateably losing 7 rounds are totally different things.
     
  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True but a large amount of fighters who campaigned extensively in ND bouts also happened to have laughably weak KO percentages.

    Jack Dillon-26%

    Harry Greb-16%

    Jeff Smith-26%

    Mike Gibbons-29%

    George Chip-22%

    Eddie McGoortey-32%

    Yet Darcy who didn't compete in ND bouts had a comparatively healthy 58% KO percentage despite being a young developing kid when he started his career and not having a reputation as a massive puncher.

    What conclusion are we to draw from that? That Darcy was a much bigger puncher than all of the aforementioned or that ND bouts were little better than glorified sparring sessions in which these undoubtedly talented fighters didn't go all out for the KO's?

    I think there are a lot of grey areas surrounding ND clashes and the legitimacy of them in that whether they were actually taken that seriously by the combatants considering that so few of them seemed to end in KO's going by the fighters records.
     
  4. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just an observation; nd bouts were generally 10 rounds, darcy fought almost exclusivley 20 rounds, that increases the chances of a stoppage result significantly.
     
  5. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes a very good post and I have thought the same and asked these questions.. you have hit the nail on the head.
     
  6. RockyValdez

    RockyValdez Active Member Full Member

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    Darcy's KO percentage could have a lot to do with the fact that most of his 50 wins were against complete nobodys.

    His KO percentage went down dramatically when he fought top fighters, which would be expected. Outside of his two fixed fights with McGoorty and KOing Chip right off the boat after a long sea voyage what were his big KOs at the world class level?

    Clabby, a natural welterweight went 20 with him twice, as did KO Brown, Gus Christie went the distance, Frank Loughrey did as well and he wasn't even a top fighter. Jeff Smith knocked out Darcy and then lost a fixed a DQ. Outside of those three fights listed above Darcy's competition was pretty ordinary at best, pretty dismal at worst so its natural that he had a high KO percentage.

    That being said Im not sure I understand the point in bringing up the KO percentages of guys like Dillon and McGoorty. Is it to suggest they weren't punchers? That's crazy.
     
  7. RockyValdez

    RockyValdez Active Member Full Member

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    One thing that is completely lost on the ignoramuses who would have us believe that ND bouts were nothing more than unofficial, glorified exhibitions is the fact that the fighters who took part in these bouts had to send in a hefty forfeit which bound them to weight, appearance, and to perform to the best of their abilities. This forfeit was only returned after the contest. If the referee of the contest felt the fight was not being fought on its merits he or the club under which the fight was held could withhold the forfeit. This forfeit was usually several hundred dollars, a large percentage of their actual purse. So there was a very real motivation for both fighters to fight their best.