No Easy Way Out: The Hopeless Predicament Of Saúl-Has Canelo Won His Last Big Match?

Doc Everlast · May 9, 2016

Very good thread. Didn't Max Kellerman say that Kirkland had an iron chin? The HBO hype/build up is so predictable.

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

It won't even be competitive, GGG is levels above Canelo, just like with a GGG-Lara match, GGG wouldn't even have to get out of first gear for either of them.
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No it will be tough

Doc Everlast · May 9, 2016

T33JAY said: ↑

You were happy to overide Oscar and fight Trout and Lara against his wishes. :huh :-(
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Maybe Oscar revised his contract. Made him sign a "Haymon style" lock in where the promoter has veto power. :hey

CST80 · May 9, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

No it will be tough
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Yeah for Canelo.

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Yeah for Canelo.
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No for GGG as well canelo is a very good fighter

I don't understand why you trying to **** on a fight this big its huge for a reason

both fighters will get tested

Scar · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Shattering The Illusion
Do you notice a pattern here, Canelo is awesome when he's facing smaller fighters with no chin that he drags up in weight, come forward fighters with no chin, and old shot to hell fighters whose glory days have long since gone. But wait... there's another pattern, when he faces actual REAL Junior Middleweights who are the same size or bigger, with a few skills, he struggles mightily to win the match, in fact he usually looks very average, almost inept, and kind of needs assistance from the judges.

There is where the problem for Canelo lies, Oscar and Canelo both know this full well. He looks like hell against slick fighters who are the same size as him, which presents a real problem for him at JMW, its a division populated with guys like Julian Williams, Demetrius Andrade, Michel Soro and the Charlo Brothers, all of whom stand a very good chance at beating him, in fact I'd say all of them can, maybe even by KO, they're all just as skilled and heavier handed than Trout and Lara, and definitely Khan who managed to rock him so hard his nieces were crying. So without the constant help of favorable scoring I think Canelo has a hard time winning against many of them. They are basically the definition of high risk, low reward, here's the reality the fact is none of those guys are particularly marketable, they lack name recognition and their in ring style is boring, they wouldn't sell one PPV, it doesn't make good economic sense to still even be hanging around this division. Which is a good thing since he can't make weight there anymore, he's clearly a full fledged Middleweight at this point.

But of course he can always stick to his tried and true formula of dragging up BIG NAME fighters from WW and savagely beating them down to make himself look like a beast. But here's the catch, Manny and Floyd are retired, and no one gives a damn about anybody else, there are no BIG NAMES left. No one wants to see a Canelo Vs. Brook, Spence, Garcia, Porter, Thurman PPV, none of them are big enough names. What weight will he drag the up to? 156, 157, 158 all in a shallow attempt to avoid an official move up the scales. And who's to say any of them will agree to it anyway, most of them don't want to give him a highlight reel KO at their expense, since they'd be losing their 0's in the process.

The Reality
So why doesn't he want to bite the bullet and go ahead and move up to 160? It's pretty simple, he and Oscar know all of what I've written is true, and they won't have any of the advantages they've had to date, the size, the youth, the weight, they'll have to play on an even playing field. Yet the few times he played on the field in the past he ended up looking very mediocre. So a move up to Middleweight will not only potentially expose him even further, it could end up destroying him as a fighter all together. I have a hard time seeing him comprehensively beating most fighters at Middleweight, they are just too big, hit too hard, and many of them are just as skilled as the fighters he's faced in the past, and just like his shots had no effect on Cotto or Angulo, they will have almost zero effect on guys that big.

Oscar knows this full well after all he moved up to Middleweight and lost his debut to light hitting Sturm 7-5, but lucky for him the judges conveniently scored it 7-5x3 in his favor, what a shock. Then he got even gutsier, and what did that get him? He got KTFO with a body shot by The Executioner Bernard Hopkins, and it was at a catchweight, that's what. So Oscar and Bernard know full well the probable fate that awaits Canelo with a move up north and they definitely aren't in any hurry for their cash cow to be brutally KO'd and his run on top as a P4P player come to an abrupt end. Fine maybe his career can recover after the KO everyone expects to happen against GGG. But will it recover after losing every other high profile match that follows?

Because that is a very real possibility. I have an incredibly hard time seeing a short 5'7 to 5'8 fighter, with a short reach, and minimal punching power having a hell of a lot of success against guys who are on average taller than Lara, and hit way harder than Kirkland and Angulo, and in many cases have the skills to back that power up and to adequately use their height and reach to their advantage. Who can he realistically beat? Jacobs, Saunders, Lemieux, Lee, Korobov, Derevyanchenko, Khytrov, Eubank Jr., Stevens, N'Dam, Quillin even Quigley? I highly doubt it.

So as you can plainly see Canelo is backed into a corner, he truly has No Easy Way Out.

He's run out of big name Welterweights to feast upon, barring tired ass rematches no one wants to see.

He can't make Junior Middleweight comfortably anymore, and since he couldn't convincingly beat Trout and Lara, he would struggle badly against many of the lesser known names. No money to be made there anyway.

And last but not least if he moves to Middleweight, what are his chances there? In all probability he gets massacre by most of them.

So there you have it.....Canelo is screwed no matter what he does, we may have just seen Canelo win for the very last time in a high profile match. Because I have a really hard time seeing him be successful in either of the last two scenarios, and he's basically depleted the first. Sadly his probable loss to GGG notwithstanding Canelo's time on top may be quickly drawing to an end. Sorry to be the bearer of that bad news.

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You can write 10 essays about how you think Alvarez only fights smaller guys, but reality is, his win over Khan all alone is better and bigger than everything Golovkin has done as a professional. Sad and hilarious, isn't it?.

Stick to bragging about Golovkin's amateur career and his imaginary sparring victims.

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

Scar said: ↑

You can write 10 essays about how you think Alvarez only fights smaller guys, but reality is, his win over Khan all alone is better and bigger than everything Golovkin has done as a professional. Sad and hilarious, isn't it?.

Stick to bragging about Golovkin's amateur career and his imaginary sparring victims.
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Yes if the fight happens it will be tough for GGG

Doc Everlast · May 9, 2016

Oscar vs Sturm was probably one of the worst decisions of that decade. Top 5 for sure.

CST80 · May 9, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

No for GGG as well canelo is a very good fighter

I don't understand why you trying to **** on a fight this big its huge for a reason

both fighters will get tested
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Who's ****ting on the fight, I'm just being realistic, if you knew **** about Boxing then you would know the reality here, there's reason why no one is fighting GGG especially Canelo, he knows its an impossible insurmountable task for him, kind of like Khan going into the Canelo match, he's just trying to finally wrap his head around the fact that's he's going to be KO'd for the first time in his career and is trying to warm to the idea of taking his beating like a man.

And for the record this article isn't about the GGG match, its about what happens after a GGG match. He's really in a bind here, he doesn't want to move to MW because all of his advantages will disappear and no potential upcoming match at MW will be a cakewalk for the foreseeable future.

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Who's ****ting on the fight, I'm just being realistic, if you knew **** about Boxing then you would know the reality here, there's reason why no one is fighting GGG especially Canelo, he knows its an impossible insurmountable task for him, kind of like Khan going into the Canelo match, he's just trying to finally wrap his head around the fact that's he's going to be KO'd for the first time in his career and is trying to warm to the idea of taking his beating like a man.

And for the record this article isn't about the GGG match, its about what happens after a GGG match. He's really in a bind here, he doesn't want to move to MW because all of his advantages will disappear and no potential upcoming match at MW will be a cakewalk for the foreseeable future.
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I agree what you said and have said the same in the past but the fight might happen now and will be huge

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Who's ****ting on the fight, I'm just being realistic, if you knew **** about Boxing then you would know the reality here, there's reason why no one is fighting GGG especially Canelo, he knows its an impossible insurmountable task for him, kind of like Khan going into the Canelo match, he's just trying to finally wrap his head around the fact that's he's going to be KO'd for the first time in his career and is trying to warm to the idea of taking his beating like a man.

And for the record this article isn't about the GGG match, its about what happens after a GGG match. He's really in a bind here, he doesn't want to move to MW because all of his advantages will disappear and no potential upcoming match at MW will be a cakewalk for the foreseeable future.
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Would you give Canelo credit for taking the GGG fight if he does?

If he does take the fight he deserves huge credit

CST80 · May 9, 2016

Scar said: ↑

You can write 10 essays about how you think Alvarez only fights smaller guys, but reality is, his win over Khan all alone is better and bigger than everything Golovkin has done as a professional. Sad and hilarious, isn't it?.

Stick to bragging about Golovkin's amateur career and his imaginary sparring victims.
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And what will you say when Canelo is lying laid out on his back in the middle of the ring after GGG steamrolls him? GGG will have conquered the man with that amazing resume with the greatest of ease. I guess that means he'll have one of the best wins in the sport won't it?

And then your sleazy ass will start harping on him moving up two divisions to face Kovalev because you want him to lose is the worst way, because for some strange reason the mere thought of him having some success infuriates you.:think

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

And what will you say when Canelo is lying laid out on his back in the middle of the ring after GGG steamrolls him? GGG will have conquered the man with that amazing resume with the greatest of ease. I guess that means he'll have one of the best wins in the sport won't it?

And then your sleazy ass will start harping on him moving up two divisions to face Kovalev because you want him to lose is the worst way, because for some strange reason the mere thought of him having some success infuriates you.:think
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let him believe that and watch him squirm if GGG fights canelo and knocks him out:blurp

CST80 · May 9, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

Would you give Canelo credit for taking the GGG fight if he does?

If he does take the fight he deserves huge credit
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No doubt he'll deserve a ton of credit for it, because its almost a no win situation for him, a proverbial suicide mission, and yeah it'll be a huge match, but it doesn't change the fact that it won't be a hard match for GGG to win.

Good_Boy · May 9, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

No doubt he'll deserve a ton of credit for it, because its almost a no win situation for him, a proverbial suicide mission, and yeah it'll be a huge match, but it doesn't change the fact that it won't be a hard match for GGG to win.
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:hey we know that but since GGGs haters say canelos resumes is better than GGG i guess if GGG knocks him out easy they will look even more stupid

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