Jack Dempsey's Ranking

I'm not an expert ,but I picked Ali to beat him and had a £25 bet on it and watched
it at Leicester Square Theatre on closed circuit, a special night!

 

They refused to sanction the first Dempsey Wills bout, for which a contract was signed, and later banned Dempsey from fighting in New York State because he had not fought Wills.

Obviously after Dempsey announced his retirement, they could have created a new champion, if they had wanted to.

The case against Dempsey is incomplete, but the case against them is pretty complete.

 

Love it Burt...love it!!!

 

Luf, I think the Firpo fight was not typical of Dempsey's style. For example as soon as the bell starting the fight started, Dempsey can be seen almost running to Firpo, and Firpo immediately threw a right hand
to ward off the rushing Dempsey. The blow with full force landed on Dempseys jaw jarring him terribly and rendering Dempsey semi conscious for the rest of the short fight. He claimed this scenario after the bout, and Dempsey whatever you think of him NEVER made excuses. Even in this state He floored the truly bullish Firpo SEVEN
times and in the second round flattened Firpo with the fastest and most destructive one-two punch ever filmed. So fast that even in slow motion it is hard to see, but we see the RESUTS. Now in the Willard fight Dempsey was very cautious when the bell started the fight, circling the SIXTY FIVE pound heavier Jess for almost one minute before he unleashed a tremendous left-hook thrown UPWARDS dropping The giant Willard for the very first time in his career, bashing in Willards cheekbone...Tremendous power considering that the much smaller Dempsey had to throw a left hook over his head..
Remarkable...My point is if Dempsey had to fight Firpo again he would
be more wary and wouldn't throw caution to the winds, instead use his bob and weave style to get to Firpo...Say what you may about Firpo's clumsiness, he had a pile driver right hand once it landed, and Dempsey as Tunney contended recovered quicker from a punch than any fighter he ever faced or saw...Yes he "retired" in 1923, going
Hollywood alleycatting silent screen stars, but when he was at his best was a force to be reckoned with against any heavyweight ever, and the bigger the better...

 

Bigger targets for Jack Dempsey...

 

So, we should not judge the version of Dempsey that actually fought Firpo but judge a version you say would have performed in a certain manner IF he had rematched with Firpo.

Do you people even read the sh*t you write? Do you understand how patently conjured it is, how far from shore you have swam to keep your adolescent love affair with the Dempsey Myth relative to nothing more than the crashing waves of your own imagination?

 

From what I derive from your post is you think Dempsey wouldn't have learned from the first match. I agree with Bert and think he would have.

 

The Dempsey that flattened Firpo was a great fighter as opined by multitudes of boxing people who knew a hell of a lot more than you do
sir, and I will leave it to the readers of this forum to recognize which one of us is shoveling horse manure .....You are pure and simply a hater of Jack Dempsey and I will match my integrity and boxing lore with the likes of you anytime and anyplace....
P.S. CIAO...

 

Dempseys bout with Firpo was one of if not the greatest example of short punching in hwt boxing history. Dempsey was caught almost immediately by a huge long right hand and then spent the rest of the bout mostly on Firpos chest landing six inch bombs that knocked his opponent down again and again.

Watch the KD of Firpo right before they ko......weave, feint that freezes Firpo followed by two six inch bombs.....right to the heart and left hook to the jaw. You do not see these types of punches today. Fleischer wrote that this combination was the deadliest in hwt boxing history.

 

So, let's judge Jeffries on what he would have learned against Johnson, and Tyson on what he would have learned against Douglas... and so on... Let's just make this a fantasy role playing game since that is where the lot of you are taking it. I am fine with that, but let's no longer say that we are discussing boxing. Let's at least be honest enough about that.

 

If he was so great why did he struggle against the most oafish, amateurish heavyweight challenger ever filmed? And why did he hide from better challengers throughout his reign... and in fact from ANY challengers for three years?

And in turn, why do you hide from such inquiries? Are there questions you really need to ask yourself?

 

S, that amateurish HW had power, if he was in a boxing match he would've looked foolish but what was his forte, "slugging", so you could say Dempsey played into this oafish amateurish HW's strength. Firpo wanted a fight that was his strength Dempsey not only accommodated him but beat him down and out.
This was not a boxing match, this was a fight. That's why no matter what you say, Dempsey stands tall. This fight will always be remembered even 90+yrs later.
Go one further we got a hint what Dempsey was like fighting to survive in a real fight.
All you are doing is trolling for an argument, there are fights that stand out in history and this is ONE.

 

When you think about the best version of Tyson, does he beat Douglas?

 

"why did he hide from better challengers throughout his reign...

First hiding from what? A 165pd SMW and a big slow guy, open for everything.

"and in fact from ANY challengers for three years?"

You know what the answer is and was, and it sure wasn't that he was hiding, afraid, embarrassed, running, ducking or whatever, he did everything a popular HW champ did before him, make a lot of money outside the ring. a commission could have stripped him, but people in those days wouldn't have stood for a paper champion, when they had the real thing.
And the killer of it all despite all the criticism thrown at Dempsey, he still is Jack Dempsey the icon.