GGG vs CANELO is closer to 50/50 then most think.

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  1. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With the fight finally coming to fruition.
    I admit I have GGG as a slight favorite.
    I feel he is a true middleweight. Who has fought comfortably at that weight for quite some time.
    The problem with GGG is the quality of opponents he has faced.
    His resume lacks any real names. So it is hard to gage exactly where he is at as a champion.
    He destroyed the opponents he has faced, but his biggest Test was David Lemieux....he passed with flying colors.
    He seems to be a complete fighter. We have never seen him tested against anyone who has lost to an All time great much less defeat an All time Great.

    Canelo has an excellent resume, his question marks are, how will he respond to fighting a Middle Weight?...not just any middle weight...we're talking THE middle weight champ & this is his first time testing those waters.
    How will his chin respond? Will he have any power to neutralize GGG?

    I give a slight edge to GGG but this is every bit a litmus test for GGG as it is for Canelo.

    Am I delusional?
     
  2. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wish they had a common opponent to gage it a little better.
    It would have helped hype the fight nicely too.
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Why are people so hung up on resume? :blood

    What does that help you? Experience? Learning a couple of tricks? And then you come up against a guy that does everything better as you do it, and did it against bigger guys too.

    The reason a lot of names are missing from Golovkin's resume is that a) the best guys weren't from the American continents, b) the "name" fighters soiled their pants and did anything in their power to avoid fighting him.

    This isn't close to a 50/50 fight. 80/20 sounds more like it, and only because the judges would favor Canelo in close rounds.

    Resume didn't help Frazier against Foreman... I expect something simular.
     
  4. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^^80/20 sounds right to me too.

    The problem is, Canelo has never fought any fighter at the full 160 lbs, now all of a sudden he'll jump up to the full weight limit and beat the best 160 lb fighter in the world?

    I just don't see it happening. Canelo has a good amount of power, but I just don't see what he does better inside the ring compared to Gennady aside from handspeed and maybe counterpunching ability. Golovkin is superior to him in pretty much every other facet inside the ring though.
     
  5. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    This is going to be a competitive fight. Stylistically, it isn't an easy one at all for Golovkin.
    There's a chance it can stay competitive till the end of round 12, too.
     
  6. Hammer Hands

    Hammer Hands Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo has the same chance, the same chance a gingerbread cookie has of smashing a hammer.
     
  7. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The resume is important to spectators (us)
    To better gage how good a fighter is at their craft.
    It's all we can truly go by. So if you say some one has a great inside game, or is a fantastic boxer. It means a lot more if you attach a Name to it.

    I see golovkin superior to Canelo aswell... But why is that?
    Has golovkin ever fought mayweather? Cotto? Lara? Hell even trout?

    These are guys who can box & all have the ability to make you look bad as a fighter. Those names & types are all absent from GGG's resume.

    Litmus test says I
    For both fighters.
     
  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How is Mayweather a positive on Canelo's record? It's not like he went in there and was competitive or showed any amount of skill. He was completely outclassed and dominated from the start.

    As far as this fight goes, GGG's fight against Lemieux and Murray are much more telling than Canelo's against Trout and Lara. As much as people like to complain, Trout and Lara are 154 lb fighters and Lemieux and Murray are big 160 lber's with Murray now being a 168 lber.
     
  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    60/40 in my mind but there's only one result that could surprise me and it would shock me. Totally changing all my views on the victim.

    That would be only a being stopped on ones stool or quiting in any way. Every other single outcome would be a suspected one because these are two of the biggest badasses ever to step foot in anykind of ring
     
  10. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said it was positive
    Triple GGG hasn't faced mayweather...or anything close to it.
    Easier too look like an ATG when you aren't fighting all time greats.

    That's why resumes to the spectators is very important
     
  11. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spot on
     
  12. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have Golovkin at a 60/40 edge over Canelo.

    Canelo has attributes that can cause trouble to Golovkin, (quicker hands, combination punching, can fight on the inside), but the biggest downside to his style against someone like Golovkin is that he is too stationary. I don't believe it's prudent for the smaller man (and Canelo is smaller), to utilize a style where he doesn't move his feet and sits in the pocket against Golovkin.

    Face it, as a puncher Golovkin is a monster, the power is legit. He's also good at setting up his shots. Canelo's foot planted style (although he has good upper body movement) is foolhardy against a naturally bigger power puncher. The outcome of this fight depends on Canelo either adapting and being able to move or being able to take Golovkin's artillery and fire back.

    Disclaimer: I don't believe a stationary guy that is the same size as him can beat Golovkin, they have to have excellent footwork.
     
  13. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I just really don't see this as that competitive. As you said, Canelo has good names, but those aren't middleweights. It's like looking at Cunningham's CW record then saying he can beat the HW champ.

    My main reasoning behind GGG winning convincingly is we have seen Canelo outboxed plenty of times. Mayweather, Lara, Cotto at times, Khan at times. GGG is not the pure boxer those guys are, but he has lethal power to keep fighters timid. It's a guy who can just go in and KO anyone he wants. Canelo is no exception.
     
  14. panchman69

    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Resume doesnt matter skills speak for themselves whether youre fighting a bum or a skilled boxer.
     
  15. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Huge facepalm at the people that don't think resume matters. GGG has looked great beating up mediocre opposition, how he fares against a genuine A level fighter is another story. Beating up guys like Murray and Lemieux doesn't tell us ****.