Jack Dempsey's Ranking

That's exactly why he does it. Burt is right, ignore him he adds nothing but rabbit pellets to a conversion. He claims a lot but shows nothing. He acts like whatever he says matters and it doesnt. So let him and his brother chin think they sound anything but stupid.

 

Please point out one racist thread or I have made out of the over 30,000 I have made.

You forfeited any right to credibility and to be taken seriously when you stated Dempsey was responsible for suicides and ruining lives ,you're a very poor joke,that gets staler with every post you make.

 

There were contemporaries of his charging this very thing. Due to a window of time that lacked transparency it was easier to pull one over on the public.

Could Jack fight, was he talented, did he punch like a mule kicks? Sure. He was a great fighter. In the balance of contrivance and substance, his career sits a bit farther to the former than it does for almost all champs.

 

yo chinny tell me why Wills, avoided, ducked the best white fighters of his time?
He didn't fight Gene Tunney, Harry Greb, Tom Gibbons even Bill Brennan, why, was he drawing the colorline? Hmmmmmm!

 

Another baiting post, you know or should know many of those contemporaries were trying to sell newspapers and of course you take those articles as proof of nothing, they had no proof and ignored the truth which has been well established.

I forgot I was dealing with an "intellectual" lol

ah, you finally posted the right thing but you forgot to add that that works against you as well.

 

https://youtu.be/UG16A2N8Fl0

Jealously is a b itch lol

 

Yes, and Dempsey v Wills would have been big. And would have inevitably been promoted along racial lines, if it were to take place.

Not true.
The East St.louis riots of 1917, the Tulsa riot of 1921, the "red summer of 1919", the massacre at Elaine 1919 ... this was possibly the very worst period of violent white/black confrontations.
And politicians of the time were well aware of it.

Neither of those fights took place in the US anyway.
Boxing was barely legal at that point in time in most US states, in fact it was technically illegal.
The post-ww1 years ushered in a more commercialized and legitimized load of new laws legalizing boxing, at the same time Tex Rickard was back in the US promoting big fights again, and Dempsey captured the imagination of the public.

I don't know who is making that excuse.
Or whether Dempsey ever made that excuse.

All I'm saying is that THE POWERS THAT BE, AT THAT TIME, would have certainly have been concerned about the promotion of a massive front-page-news million-dollar-gate prize fight featuring a white man against a black man.

For every politician, official and big promoter who publicly supported Harry Wills claim to a title shot, privately they would be a dozen who would have wanted it well away from their home state, and many who supported it publicly would have been saying 'no way' in private.
This is just the reality of the situation. No excuses.

 

Yes, most stars of the 1920s were hyped and their reps were manipulated and contrived. It was the Roaring Twenties. Everything was blown way out of proportion. That was the era. Everything was hyped to its limit.

Nearly a 100 years later, most of the eras biggest stars don't hold up. Helen Wills Moody couldn't win a game against the top female tennis players today. Red Grange wouldn't make ANY NFL team. He'd be too small and slow and weak. Man O'War, "the greatest horse ever," would've finished in last place at the Kentucky Derby this year. Johnny Weismuller wouldn't even make the Olympic team, forget about winning a pile of medals. The biggest gangsters of the era, like Al Capone, look like choir boys compared to El Chapo. Rudolph Valentino, the greatest move star of the 20s, could barely act at all. Hell, if they had sound, he probably wouldn't have even been cast in a role at all.

It's a positive that a boxer from nearly 100 years ago has been eclipsed by a lot of fighters since then. It shows the sport has progressed.

His biggest wins were a controversial victory over Sharkey and beating Willard - one of the worst champs ever. Those are his big heavyweight wins. A whole lot of nothing.

Dempsey doesn't hold up.

Better fighters who scored far more and far better wins have come along in the nearly 100 years since.

What about that is so hard to grasp?

He doesn't hold up. Not compared to those who came later. Hell, he doesn't hold up compared to many of the men who held the heavyweight title around him. Nearly all of them faced better fighters than he did in their careers.

Hell, the middleweight Harry Greb beat everyone Dempsey defended his title against except for Firpo, who he didn't fight.

Dempsey doesn't hold up.

He was mostly hype ... just like nearly every other star from the era was.

He's not a top-ten all-time heavyweight. Enough of the idol worship.

I've said my peace.:hi:

 

So talent was actually non existent in the 20's, and everything was a result of media hype?

Im outro

 

Greb didn't fight Carpentier either.

Yeah you said your piece ,over and, over and ,over and, over and over.ad nauseum.:tired:blabla:zzz:sad2:stfu

 

Chinny, Here you are absolutely right Wills, was hyped and Wills rep was manipulated and contrived.


Nearly a 100 years later, Wills, doesnt hold up.

Wills ducked, avoided and was afraid to fight the best white fighters

It's a positive that Wills from nearly 100 years ago has been eclipsed by a lot of fighters since then. It shows the sport has progressed.

Wills biggest win was over an old faded Langford. That and he stopped a china chinned Fulton is his big heavyweight wins. A whole lot of nothing.

Wills doesn't hold up.

Better fighters then Wills scored far more and far better wins have come along in the nearly 100 years since.

What about that is so hard to grasp?

Wills doesn't hold up. Not compared to those who came later. Hell, he doesn't hold up compared to Jack Johnson and Langford Nearly all of them faced better fighters than Wills did in their careers.

Hell, the middleweight Harry Greb, Wills was scared to fight and the other good white fighters of that era that Wills never fought
Wills doesn't hold up.


Wills was mostly hype ...

Wills is not a top-ten all-time heavyweight. Enough of the idol worship.

I've said my peace

er you meant "piece"

 

Ok, reading and research are verboten and trying to construct anything beyond the most rudimentary sentence is both flimsy and pretentious.

I think I get where you're coming from.

 

Wrong. Hype and ability are two different aspects. Just because there is hype does not mean there is not greatness. Three biggest stars of the 20's?

Babe Ruth - In 2016 still considered by many experts as the greatest baseball player ever.

Harry Houdini - In 2016 still considered the greatest escape artist ever to live.

Who is the third? Jack Dempsey. Again just because there is hype does not mean there is no ability or greatness.

 

Very true concerning Wills. Ray Arcel whose close friend was Wills manager termed Wills "a good journeyman". Lots of hype regarding Wills. Dempseys greatness as a fighter shows in that he was rated so highly by experts from his time and later.