Which other all time great does McCall stop with one shot?

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  1. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Plenty, if he lands cleanly, and he gets all of his 236lbs behind it. And don't forget it was the REF who stopped it. Rahman was the only guy to knock Lewis spark out.
     
  3. mcvey

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    I concur.:good
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Yep, yep and more yep.
     
  5. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He doesn't stop Foreman, Baer or Ali with the same shot. Just my opinion.
     
  6. IbizaBoxing96

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    As much as i like Floyd Patterson and think of him as highly underrated if mcall got him with a good shot he would go down for sure.
     
  7. Eddie Ezzard

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    Lewis was in the same wide-eyed trouble Ali/Clay was in against Cooper. Which was the harder punch? That of a 185 lb Cooper or 231lb McCall? Bear in mind Lewis was also throwing which gave McCall's punch extra oomph.

    It looked a lot harder than the punch that kayoed Liston in Lewiston, than Walcott's kayo of Charles, than anything Tyson landed clean on Spinks, than the hook Holyfield nearly kayoed Bowe with in the 3rd fight/ So there's a few names I've come up with while I'm sat on the toilet. If I'd had a bigger breakfast today, I could probably have come up with a few more!
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What other heavyweight period, did McCall ever ko with one punch?

    I think he could have probably ko'd Wlad, but probably not with one punch.
     
  9. Saad54

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    Ali was not about to fall over when the ref move out of the way, the way Lennox was after he rose from the McCall knock down. Ali, against Cooper, was hurt, but not nearly as much. Basically, Ali showed in the Cooper I and Frazier I fights that he had the recuperative powers Lewis wished he had.

    As for which punch was harder - the right hand that McCall landed to ko Lewis, or the right Tyson landed to end the Spinks fight, I'll go with the Tyson right hand.
     
  10. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha ha! Some fair points, but does a heavier fighter automatically hit harder than a lighter one? For instance Ali was badly shaken by Frazier who was 205lbs(from memory). Would 231bs McCall have hurt him more? There's more than just weight to punching power, isn't there?

    I think the McCall shot was very good, but not a finisher. The Rahman right might have finished more or less anyone!
     
  11. Eddie Ezzard

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    Clay was all over the shop when he walked back to his corner. And the punches Tyson threw at Spinks may well have been stronger but they were thrown at a man in a defensive shell, not someone throwing a big punch of his own so their effect should not have been as devastating.
     
  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    There is more to punching power than weight. Timing and accuracy being two factors and that McCall punch had both in spades.

    And while I agree that weight is not the be all and end all in gauging power, all things being equal ie technique, timing, accuracy, a punch from a 231lb man is going to be bigger than that of a man 50lb lighter.

    I actually think the McCall kayo looked a more devastating shot than Rahman's. The Rahman punch, while meaty, had the benefit of landing on a knackered Lewis whose mouth was open. As I say the McCall kayo was made more devastating by Lewis' own forward momentum. They say two cars colliding when travelling at 50mph each is like a car crashing into a parked car at 100mph if you get what I mean.
     
  13. ribtickler68

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    I do, and you make a fair point. We can only judge the impact or power of a punch by the effect it has on the opponent, though.

    For instance, the Walcott kayo of Charles was devastating, and neither of us know that it wouldn't be effective against a heavier fighter(although I take your point about weight differentials).

    What I mean is we can't know for sure that Walcott's left hook doesn't floor Lewis, too. It might be so well timed that it could.

    I am not disagreeing with you, I am just saying that there are so many variables. For instance I think Moore's knockdown of Marciano was similar to the McCall right hand in that it caught Marciano coming in. I can see that finishing quite a few fights.

    The right that Bonavena floored Frazier with looked brutal, too. Yet Frazier survived it(just!).

    I don't think Lewis was chinny, but it sort of bothers me that he was one shotted twice. Maybe it shouldn't.
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

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    This is the correct answer.
     
  15. Eddie Ezzard

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    I agree absolutely, rib. Lewis wasn't chinny imo but twice lacked the concentration or level of preparedness to avert disaster. It's that, rather than perceived durability issues, that would bother me more when ranking him highly.