Marvin Hagler vs Canelo Alvarez

If it is any help you can see an interview on you tube, with Mosley saying he used to weigh in at 147 and by fight time he was 160, he then claimed that was nothing, and that big Welters like Clottey, Margarito, and Baldomir were almost 170 by fight time, even though they managed to hit 147 too.

On topic, it would be man against boy. The term ATG gets thrown about these days like confetti, but Hagler genuinely was one. He tears Canelo a new *******, with consumate ease.

 

Nope.

 

I have to say that Box ... Dubbel Speek has some good points when he goes on about the higher fight night weight of modern boxers. I don't think it's as huge as an advantage as he thinks, but certainly 10lb on fight night would make a large difference where the fighters ar relatively even. I don't believe Hagler and Canelo are relatively even.

 

Well first of all if Canelo and Hagler were fight in the same era howdy doody would never get near taking that fight..

Sadly for Canelo if he ran to jr middle he'd find Hearns, McCallum, Mugabi, Leonard. Basically he'd of had issues in the 80's

As far as "if" he fought Marvelous Marvin he'd take a brutal ass kicking! Hagler would walk thru and walk down Canelo in around 8 rounds. Afterwards words Canelo would say he was eager for a "catchweight" or the new more popular "caneloweight" fight vs lightweight (at that time) Hector Camacho

 

No. PED use is just as widespread and is more sophisticated now than ever.
Performances in almost every sport and event have improved since the 1980s.

The awareness of dangers of steroids only really apply to women.

 

I suspect boxers such as Fulgencio Obelmeijias were far above the middleweight limit in the ring, and perhaps close to the 175 mark.

 

Are you suggesting that Justin Gatlin's personal best time for the 100 meters achieved at the age of 33 is down to the use of PEDs? Just because he has been banned twice means nothing!

 

I was going to bring his name up. Yeah, Obel looked huge. I think the OP trying to say that we might be making too much of weight and ignoring talent when debating various match ups. Or at least he is pointing out a bit of a double standard where certain fighters are written off largely because of weight, yet most people would favour Hagler over Canelo, despite Canelo being quite a bit bigger.

Another example is Dempsey-Frazier. No one has a problem with Jack spotting Joe 20lbs and winning, but Frazier can't give a similar amount to Tua and emerge victorious. Either a significant weight advantage is insurmountable between fighters of more or less equal ability or it isn't. People are picking and choosing when it applies.

 

No, i would never suggest such a thing against Gatlin.
Clearly the PEDs were holding him back. Since he's been clean he's gotten faster. It happens that way sometimes.

It's like Usain Bolt. 100% lifetime clean and he's faster than every recorded sprinter ever, including the elite of the elite positive-test PED cheats whose PBs are no longer recognized.
I mean, even if we have unfairly cast our doubts on Gatlin, we would never even for a moment suggest than Bolt is drug-assisted.

 

I think the main point here is the relative ability of Canelo no matter what weight he were to come in at.
He's a good fighter but that's about it, whether he fights Hagler at Lt Middle, Middle or Lt Heavy he gets beat, and if you consider him a light heavyweight on fight night then he wouldn't be a particularly good one.

 

Well I agree with that but we all know that the matter of styles comes into play too. And also measurements beyond how much they weight, ie. height and reach.
Every match up is different.

I don't know much about Canelo, but it seems he's not good enough to be put in with Golovkin, and he was beaten quite badly by Mayweather, so I'd favour Hagler to beat him up too.

 

He might be a freak of nature, in fairness. He's 6ft 5 for a start, which must be an advantage! Mind you, Marion Jones was much taller than the average woman sprinter, too, and she still needed help.

I'd be amazed if PEDs weren't rife in boxing, particularly at heavyweight. The amount of muscle certain fighters have put on is highly dubious, in my opinion.

 

Oh, I agree with all that, too. I'm just trying to see it from the OP's angle.

 

bolts a strange case, common sense says yes but the only real sign is the performance, i'm semi prepared to believe he's just a genetic freak.

i was being sarcastic in my first comment, i wouldn't be suprised if dosages were generally bigger back then tho.