Bute Busted

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DrMo, May 26, 2016.


  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heredia is also working with jack when I saw how bute took James degales best shots and didn't flinch I knew he was dodgy, I think porky and jack are both dodgy too in my opinion, Im loving what vada and the wbc are doing at the moment
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks. :good
     
  3. alspacka

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    There was no V/W/USADA testing here, so this was conducted by the local commission or similar, is that right? Any kinda track record for them?

    As something of a Bute mark, this is very disappointing news for me, I'll wait for more detail before getting my pitchfork out.

    Also, excellent posts Serge.
     
  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:


    Nor does it work under VADA. Heredia seems to duck VADA every time.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How convenient some rinky dink commission in Washington D.C. (which I'm sure is very reputable and above bribery:lol:) conducts tests for a match Floyd Mayweather Jr. was personally incensed by the outcome of and presto change-o the results will be overturned and made a NC. :lol:
     
  6. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't expect the deflection to start so early. :lol: That's a huge dossier, when Bute should be the focus of the blame. I will say this, that I'm glad there's more drug testing but the consequences need to be thought out more. Automatic year suspension (so there's a reasonable opportunity to get clean) and de-ranking at the very least. The top 4 belt organizations should come together, so if you're suspended from one, you're suspended from all them. Let the likes of Bute, Browne and Pedvetkin fight for the IBU belt.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Case by case basis, Povetkin tested by VADA he's guilty, Browne tested by VADA after leaving one of the most corrupt regions in Russia known for spiking tests....probably not guilty, Bute the jury is still out, what's this The D.C. Boxing and Wrestling Commission anyway, how do we know we can trust them? Are they corrupt? Who runs it?
     
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  9. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My ideas are reasonable, egregious violations can get more than a year in boxing purgatory. Jury isn't out, people are too tolerant as it is, need better official rules.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Remember when Pascal went mental about Kovalev doing testing? He offered to foot the bill for both their tests under the agency he uses and then Kovalev switched it up on him and said let's do VADA and Pascal shut up quick sharp despite VADA costing way less. They did VADA for the rematch but Victor Conte tweeted that Memo and Pascal delayed doing it for 10 or 12 days or something and that it was very suspicious.

     
  11. tobias

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    It's not steroid but a treatment of conditions such as muscle wasting and osteoporosis.

    Selective androgen receptor modulators increase physical stamina and fitness. They were banned by the WADA in 2008 despite no drugs from this class yet being in clinical use, and blood tests for all known SARMs have been developed.
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks
     
  13. CST80

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    Fine I agree, but as long as the results are on the up and up, but let's not act like people in the world of boxing are above reproach and aren't open to being corrupted in a variety of ways.
     
  14. thesmokingm

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    :deal

    That's kind of the same type of thing with JMM and Heredia. They wanted no part of VADA, till the last minute and agreed. The problem was there was like 2-3 weeks till the fight so it loses most of its point.
     
  15. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, when the winner fails a post-fight drug test the result's changed to a no contest. But changing a draw to a no contest isn't punishment. Has this happened before? As much as people want the win to be handed to Jack, a win should have to be earned in the ring.

    This isn't comparable to Khan or Mosley. I'm sure you're well aware that Peterson failed a VADA test before the scheduled Khan rematch. VADA is not a boxing governing body. All they did is release the results to the Nevada commission, who was governing the rematch. They cancelled the fight and suspended him 9 months, and the IBF outrageously ignored the suspension and let him keep their belt. Peterson passed the drug test after the first fight, governed by another state commission, so the result couldn't or shouldn't be overturned, as good as it makes you feel insisting it should be. Mosley similarly did not fail a post-fight test.

    The only case I'm aware of when a fighter failed a POST-FIGHT drug test but got away free was Roy Jones, vs Richard Hall. BOTH fighters failed their post-fight drug tests, but the backwater Indiana commission didn't have a law regarding positive drug tests at the time so couldn't change the result!