Jack Dempsey vs George Foreman.

Dempsey has a big problem here, and that's the quality of Foreman's cliff-like chin. I think that he has the speed to outbox big George ... but all night? Tough ask.

 

waiting for janitor answer

 

Dempsy is winning untill the moment when he loses.

Foreman by KO

 

It all comes down to what happens when Dempsey hits Foreman on the chin. I rate Dempsey as a puncher by virtue of his destruction of Willard and Firpo. Sure you can criticize their quality, but those were pretty spectacular displays of power.

Trouble is, Foreman's victories over Frazier and Norton were absolutely jaw dropping. Foreman just walked through them both.

I'm taking Dempsey to briefly shake Foreman before getting overwhelmed in 3-5 rounds. That's not to dismiss Jack but I think it's a shootout type fight.

 

Dempsey, like Frazier although very different at what they do share a stylistic similarities in the sense that they are designed to chop down bigger foes. However of all the foes to come up against Foreman is likely the worst possible matchup of all the great heavyweights for Dempsey. Sub 200lbs Peralta survived til the final bell in their first bout, a bout that shows Foreman slowing down very little. I'd be shocked if Demspey survived the punishment he dished out in these 10 rounds. You also have him stopping Frazier and Norton in 2 rounds so unless Demspey went against his natural instincts as a fighter and tried to pick his spots I don't think he makes it past 5 rounds and even if he does this with any kind of success I don't see him making it to the final bell. Just a bad matchup for Jack

 

Tough call. I chose Foreman by stoppage but you never know with Dempsey. Both times that Dempsey was the underdog he won by knockout.

Foreman was far more skilled, powerful and just a better fighter all around than Firpo so I think it is a disgrace to compare the two. If it's Dempsey from the Willard fight with a similar if not the same game plan then I honestly think he could beat Foreman. Dempsey's destruction of Willard is the most one sided brutal beating I have ever seen in boxing. 10x what Foreman did to Frazier. Had Dempsey fought Willard during the time that Foreman fought Frazier then it would have been a first round stoppage easy.

These guys have too much power and brutality to let this fight go the distance. It's not in Dempsey's blood to play it safe.

 

That's basically it in a nut shell for me - personally I don't know what to make of Foremans chin - I know it always gets talked up as being pretty much granite and all that but Ron Lyle knocked him from pillar to post? It's not impossible to do? Feather fisted Jimmy Young even dropped him - so you have to say it's not even impossible for a feather fisted fighter to drop him - people always say , oh he was in with some great punchers etc etc but let's say Frazier, how many times did Frazier really land big on his chin?? He half-landed maybe 6 or 7 single hooks but nothing really on the sweet spot? And I counted 2 even hard shots that Norton even tried against George? Holy who didn't really have that destructive a punch rocked him all over the joint to? I don't know whether it was a poor balance thing but I seen George rocked and wobbled by a few who were maybe Ok punchers but I just think that not many fought in a sustained enough way in terms of aggressive punching? For someone who at his peak didn't really get much back from opponents for whatever reason makes me wonder whether his chin was truly what people often make it out to be? He seemed to show pretty obvious reactions to me whenever he did get hit? It makes me wonder how he would cope if he was lashed by punches with the ferocious speed and brutal power of Dempsey?

 

Dempseys chin is the bigger question mark for me...a guy who was shaken up by light heavies and knocked out by Fireman Flynn (pre-prime) going up against a 225 pound juggernaut?

 

Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, "Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman.
He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying,
"It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier," never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him.

:think

 

these threads are actually funny because some answers

 

George wins in my book. Dempsey have superb chin. But, george by KO.

But this thread seems to discredit dempsey. Imo.
Sorry to johntomas1.
Others ATG or heavyweight champion, even this day will get knocked out VS Big George.

 

Unfortunately Foreman is just too physically strong, and hits too hard for Dempsey IMHO. I see him manhandling JD into his own range.

 

The bigger they are...