Dempsey v Wills & Greb15rds All Prime?

Championship boxing is about opportunity not speculation. In a perfect world, to be the best you must beat the best. I understand there is no perfect world but some are more imperfect than others.

 

Off topic, stay on topic this thread is asking who win's a 15rdr between Dempsey and Wills or Greb, a clue you know it's a question if it has this at the end of the sentence (?)?

The question doesnt need your editorializing.

 

Well to be fair Klompton seems to think that Greb was flat-out better than Dempsey and he has in the past posted pretty good arguments as to why that is so. I was giving Greb's resume the once-over yesterday ... my God he fought everybody ... and I can see the rationale for the argument Klompton made. Greb beat Tunney so it wouldn't be an utter surprise to me if he beat Dempsey too.

Frankly I think Dempsey's punching power and weight advantage would do Greb in over the long haul. If they were p4p, I'd pick Harry without hesiation.

 

We likely know how Dempsey, beat these two, that's why I'll try and look on the flip side. Greb will likely pose more problems due to Dempsey's style. he wouldn't have to go looking for Greb, but Dempsey's style, mucn like Frazier's, suits bigger target areas to hit. Not to mention Greb would be the best boxer he ever faced, if not a very very close second behind Tunney. I don't know for sure, but I'd like to think we could compare Greb's chin to that of the best the sport has seen. Sure he was no defensive wizard like Toney, but the man went over 13 years without being stopped, so despite going up against the finest puncher he would have faced, I think you give him the benefit of the doubt, so I will assume he makes it to the final bell, Desmpey likely pipping him in a very close and competitive bout.

Wills also has a 13 year stint of being stopped by only Lamgford (twice) a pumcher comparable to Dempsey's level even if Sam was past prime. I think we can concede Wills was durable judging by his record so I feel comfortable predicting Harry making it into the later rounds. Presumably Wills would have more success the later this fight goes and Demspey's speed begins to deteriorate, so who's to say Dempsey doesn't exhaust himself and Will's finds that combination of punches to do some serious damage? Again I like Demspey by decision, but in both these fights there's enough doubt for me to consider the upset very possible, but Demspey by stoppage or decision is the easier, more plausible and most sensible option here.

 

Frankly if Greb makes it to the end against Dempsey he is the one winning on points, Greb's workrate was marvellous. Dempsey would have to land big leather on him to slow him down and then stop him. I reckon more likely than not in a long match Jack eventually does find the money punch he is looking for.

Irony would be Dempsey blowing his wad early against defensive toughies like Wills and Greb and getting peppered for the rest of the fight ... something that's not impossible.

 

I said one post and yet here I am, still :0

 

My thought process was Greb taking a more measured approach and coming on strong late, hence why I believe Dempsey would have a slender lead on the cards. I just don't believe Greb can approach Dempsey like he did every other opponent and would have to tweak his style of fighting ever so slightly. Maybe I need to re think this one.

 

Good post. I just don't know enough about Greb to say whether he was a puglistic chameleon or not. I do know that when he sparred Dempsey he swarmed him and by many reports made Jack look somewhat foolish. Now whether he could do that for 15 rounds in a real fight is another question.

Actually I'd like to hear somebody make an argument for Wills. I don't know a huge amount about him so I can't.

How does Wills beat Demspey?

 

Dude, that's great evidence to support what you're saying and blows my idea of Greb taking a more measured approach out of the water but that's just how I see it panning out and thank you for the compliment :good

 

Never seen Greb fight so can't comment

 

What other fighter goes 22 fights with Sam Langford and only gets KO'd once? Would Dempsey be able to make that claim? Not only did Wills face the best single fighter between the resumes of he and Dempsey, he faced him 22 times. That means that Wills' resume if almost infinitely deeper than Dempsey and that he is far better proven than Jack. Therefore, I logic dictates that Wills must be favored.

 

How many of those 22 fights (boxrec only lists 17 or 18, btw, and has Sam winning TWICE by KO) were 100% legit fights ?
How many had an obvious whiff of fakery about them ?

Again, you're quick to detect and expose "fraud" around the career of Dempsey, but seem absolutely incapable of doing the same with other fighters of the era.

 

Why don't you do the research and explore the topic? I am all ears. Don't give me sh*t for the doing the same around other fighters, unless total ignorance is your preferred default mode.