The Fifty Greatest Lightweights of all Time

The point is 137 pounds may have been just an estimate of some person at ringside. Local newspaper gives no impression that exact weights were announced.

If I were pressed to name the winners of Gans-McFarland and Leonard-McFarland, all in their prime, I'd have chosen Packey to win both fights. He was that good. Sure, Gans and Leonard had better resumes, but if you going that route, then neither Duran or Whitaker should be ahead of Packey based on resume, and arguably not on head-to-head ability either (as neither were hard punchers per se, and that's basically the only thing you can count against McFarland from being a complete package).

 

Up to you. What I have posted on Packey on my blog is maybe 1% of the contents of my sc-rapbooks on him, probably less than that. Same with Joe Gans, although I need to fill some gaps using two other Baltimore newspapers beside the Sun. Benny Leonard I need yet to sort out what I have gathered during last couple of years, but I think I know quite a bit about him to be more or less confident in my pick.

 

Williams should be in the top tier imo.

 

Probably from how many times you've mentioned "against ranked men", despite how many times I've said, "end of career losses". I don't have to be an expert on anything to see that is how you are formulating your list. I'm just reading your text.

 

No need to employ the "f" word, albeit in abbreviated form. First, I put a smiley emote there, and it was obviously in jest. Second, I don't think it was that unreasonable to think the way I did, given 1) you have been by far the most prolific poster among the mods in the times I have visited this site; and 2) it seems like you do put a lot more emphasis on a fighter's raw won-loss record than most and hence may not have liked my post. (Sorry, if this is a hasty judgment; but I did say "seems" - I generally tend to not make absolute judgments till I know for sure.)

Generally-speaking, arbitrary enforcement by mods is a frequent problem in a forum of this nature, and I genuinely do not understand why my thread was moved. My thread was in general about what occurred in the past, and I think every specific example was also about the past. The problem I describe there is also obviously less applicable now, because contemporary Asian fight scene is now more widely and extensively covered in the West, and fight footages are usually readily available. Moreover, some of the more flagrant examples of corruption or incompetence no longer happen, precisely because of that international scrutiny. It just seemed to me that it was a subtle message that I am not wanted here. But then intentions are hard to determine online.

 

McG I love these threads you do.

These days mainly from the browsing point of view though.

I could start giving my opinion but we both know why it's of little use

I will say this though, the early advent of the light welter division it muddies the waters a bit because some top talents were able to have fights amongst themselves outside of the divisional limit.

It's a cracking division that has unfortunately fallen by the wayside in recent years imo. Pretty much since Pea left. In terms of achievement and quality resume at least anyways, the talent that's passed through has remained top notch with Hoya, Mosley, Floyd, Marquez, Pacquiao and more recently Crawford.

 

Its all personal opinion.Fair play to you for putting in all the work.:good

 

I'll do your post for you.

" Haven't seen most of them so can't comment".:good