What if Robinson fought maxim on a cooler day?

Maxim could only win if Robinson was stopped or retired,he was that far behind. Maxim was no puncher and
Ray had a top chin . There's no logic to your post.

 

I understand what you're saying, and we're usually on the same page. I don't totally disagree with what you're saying, but I also can't agree either. Obviously Maxim deserves credit for winning, no doubt, he ended up winning. However, fighters don't go... well I'm going to get my ears boxed off, take way way more punches than my foe as a strategy. That isn't typical nor common at all. When you're taking punches to the face, you'd like to respond in kind. Yet Maxim, was really able to respond was he? He still continued to take shots after shots and could do little to respond. I refuse to believe that was his actual strategy. As you say, fighters try to come up with a strategy to win. Fighters don't come up with, well I'm going to be convincingly outboxed for 13 rounds, but he'll tire eventually. Does that sound like a sound strategy? So the strategy would be, yeah be behind by a lot on the cards and hope he tires? Yeah, that doesn't sound logical at all to me.

 

Greetings Unforgiven!
You, perhaps, don't see SRR as the Greatest Fighter of All Time?
In air-conditioning, Ray beats Maxim, in less than the climate at the time Ray beats Maxim, in the same climate on a different night Ray beats Maxim. Joey was a fine, smart, fighter, a 'slickster' with a good chin, solid boxing skills and savvy. No punch, often never needed it with his style and Ray still had the fight in hand giving up a ton of poundage. His win record against LH's? Geez, he quit for almost three f***ing years and still was a middleweight force in his late 30's.
Sidebar: that's not the same as late 30's nowadays; he turned pro as a teenager (after going 85-0 as an amateur) and running up a 131-1 record (the loss to the larger LaMatta, as a pup, avenged 20 days later in a easy decision) At least 12 fights/yr. for 12 years! At the top of the Middleweight Division when he was a 'shell'? A prime Ray in the 21st century? You couldn't find enough bodybags to carry his opponents out in. If you want to talk about THE greatest pugilist ever you'de better start at #2.....

 

There ya go!

 

The bout was fought in unsusal conditions, logic in the traditional sense may not apply.

Was Maxim really taking a beating? Maxim appears to protect himself very well despite being outpointed.

Maxim plods forward in every round, protecting himself, walking Ray down and throwing his weight on him, sneaking in body punches when possible. Why do you think Maxim adapted this strategy for this fight only and what do you suppose the end goal was?

You find it hard to believe a fighter may conserve himself in extreme conditions, even if losing the fight? We've seen fighters conserve themselves for less.

 

He wins an easy decision, and if Jersey Joe was still the heavyweight champ, would have gone after him.

 

Bit of information, Robinson wasn't the only one fighting in the heat....

 

Bit of information..

1. Robinson was doing all the work despite conceding over 15lbs to Maxim!
2.Robinson was so far in front he could not lose on points.
3.The judges scores 10-3,9-3-1,10-2-1. AP 9-3-1 . UP 10-2-1
There was only two rounds of the contest left , so Maxim could only win by a stoppage or retirement.
4.Maxim was a light hitter.
5.Robinson had a top chin.
6.Anyone claiming that Maxim was pacing himself to come on late is talking out of their ****,because:
he had no guarantee Robinson would fold in the following 6 minutes.
7.Maxim was not boxing to orders he was outclassed and out boxed for 13 rds only three of which he won on the majority score cards and two on the other.
8.The original referee Ruby Goldstein's score card would not have been a factor because it was a sodden mess and illegible when he was replaced by Ray Miller after the 10th rd.
Miller gave Robinson the 11th and Maxim the 12 & 13th rds.
Judge Harold Barnes gave Robinson 10 of the first 11 rds!

 

Bit of information.

1. Robinson took the fight knowing fully well he was fighting a bigger opponent.
2. Robinson was far in front but shot his load and couldn't continue.
3. There was only two rounds left yet Robinson was in such poor condition he could go no more.
4. A fight is 15 rounds, Billy Conn was also beating Joe Louis for most of the fight but in the end lost.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson clearly, he was well ahead. SRR was heat-exhausted because he was the one putting in more energy throughout the fight. If Maxim had been the one doing so and winning the fight, Maxim would have been exhausted. Even the refs couldn't handle the heat.

Edit: everyone has dealt with this topic well.

 

Conn was knocked out when he tried for the stoppage do you think that's the same?
Their fight was a lot closer than the Maxim/Robinson one, the scores were 7-4,7-5, 6-6 and Louis was always in with a chance because he was a dynamite puncher.
Maxim was a powder puff puncher by comparison. There was no way he could expect to stop Robinson with his punches .

Robinson wobbled Maxim twice in the earlier rounds and Maxim had a fine chin.
Summarising .Louis ko'd Conn The heat ko'd Robinson.

 

Could Maxim fight different in more comfortable weather conditions? Without a doubt, he could. Would he? He likely would. You can't conclude that the fight would have gone exactly the same route if it were cooler.

 

Robinson would have been knocked out or even worse had the fight continued.

 

uote=Senya13;17996387]Could Maxim fight different in more comfortable weather conditions? Without a doubt, he could. Would he? He likely would. You can't conclude that the fight would have gone exactly the same route if it were cooler.[/quote]

I can conclude from Robinson's record,[never stopped in 200 fights]that he would not be stopped by Maxim ,[ko %19 ,] and I can further conclude that, as he won 9 or 10 of the first 13 rounds in their fight that he would probably replicate that enough to win the return in a cooler arena.

 

You gave two fights as examples both had different endings and scores leading up to those endings and always would have the potential to have them because of the respective strengths and weaknesses of the protagonists involved.